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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - FRS Manifold 13/12
so whats the actual spec your going for now mate????
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - FRS Manifold 13/12
RS rob :so whats the actual spec your going for now mate????
Something silly
In all seriousness I'd be happy with 350, but I'm so pleased with the shell that I'm now going for something a bit more in all areas.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - FRS Manifold 13/12
how did this even happen?

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - FRS Manifold 13/12
I did some research into diemsions/specifications of various OEM fitment four pot calipers from different brands, knowing that the obvious choices are just blatantly over priced. I setteld on the MGTF Trophy/T160 AP Racing calipers:
The MG area will be milled flat, the calipers resprayed in gloss black with the standard yellow AP Racing decals i.e.:

The MG area will be milled flat, the calipers resprayed in gloss black with the standard yellow AP Racing decals i.e.:

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
how you going to go about brackets to fit them?

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
jonyb4 :how you going to go about brackets to fit them?
All will be revealed after Christmas
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
were they bought new?
how much we talking? could be starting a trend here mark, what diamentions also? or do they work with escort cossie discs?
how much we talking? could be starting a trend here mark, what diamentions also? or do they work with escort cossie discs?

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
They are the two pot version.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
ah, well still a worthy upgrade if the brackets were taken care of i guess

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
ah thought i seen them
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MG-TF-MGTF-MGF-AP-Racing-4pot-Red-Front-Calipers-Discs-/370451114967?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item56409b6bd7
sorry for the spamming
you could probably get them discs to fit if you filed the stud holes out by a tad to allow for 108pcd over the 100pcd
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MG-TF-MGTF-MGF-AP-Racing-4pot-Red-Front-Calipers-Discs-/370451114967?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item56409b6bd7
sorry for the spamming
you could probably get them discs to fit if you filed the stud holes out by a tad to allow for 108pcd over the 100pcd

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Arent they the same or similar to the FRS and fiat coupe turbo caliper?

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
I have the same as the bottom pic on my ST - great brakes mate - you wont go wrong with AP's!

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Ratspeed :Arent they the same or similar to the FRS and fiat coupe turbo caliper?
Similar in that both are four pot calipers. They are Brembo, these are AP Racing.
Here's the auction I won: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWNX:IT
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
My choice was based on the data which I collected:
MGTF
PCD: 4x98.5 mm
Wheel Centre bore: 56.6 mm
Caliper lug spacing: 82.55 mm
Disc size: 304 mm
Fiesta
PCD: 4×108 mm
Wheel Centre bore: 63.4 mm
Caliper lug spacing: 82.55 mm
I plan to use the calipers with ST170 discs. The loss of 2mm on each side of the disc is offset by a ridge on the MG pads. If the ST170 discs don't suit the caliper offset then I will have the centre bores on the MG discs enlarged and the holes milled to suit the Ford PCD.
The Calipers should be a bolt on solution, if not they will be modified to suit. Two piece discs will be added later. All in, I've saved at least £1200 off an AP kit.
MGTF
PCD: 4x98.5 mm
Wheel Centre bore: 56.6 mm
Caliper lug spacing: 82.55 mm
Disc size: 304 mm
Fiesta
PCD: 4×108 mm
Wheel Centre bore: 63.4 mm
Caliper lug spacing: 82.55 mm
I plan to use the calipers with ST170 discs. The loss of 2mm on each side of the disc is offset by a ridge on the MG pads. If the ST170 discs don't suit the caliper offset then I will have the centre bores on the MG discs enlarged and the holes milled to suit the Ford PCD.
The Calipers should be a bolt on solution, if not they will be modified to suit. Two piece discs will be added later. All in, I've saved at least £1200 off an AP kit.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Excursion :Ratspeed :Arent they the same or similar to the FRS and fiat coupe turbo caliper?
Similar in that both are four pot calipers. They are Brembo, these are AP Racing.
Here's the auction I won: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWNX:IT
Ahh, sorry, i had a moment of stupidness

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
awsome auction that, love it when a great steal pops up, recently had sim ilar luck with a Boss audio dvd player, rrp at £109 i won a brand new one for £62
anywho thats bloody cheap mark!
impressed how you found out the stud spacing, hopefully should bolt right on, if so, i think you have deffo on to starting a trend, might even look into it myserlf if it works out, need 16" wheels first though
or you think the calipers will fit snug under 15s? them four pots usually are less bulky than ford single pots
anywho thats bloody cheap mark!
impressed how you found out the stud spacing, hopefully should bolt right on, if so, i think you have deffo on to starting a trend, might even look into it myserlf if it works out, need 16" wheels first though
or you think the calipers will fit snug under 15s? them four pots usually are less bulky than ford single pots

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
15's I hope, I want the car to look as unassuming as possible.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Those wheels will look good with the brakes. What size you looking at getting mate?

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
rs220bhp :Those wheels will look good with the brakes. What size you looking at getting mate?
16" mate, 7" wide I think. I might try for 205/40/16...
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
awsome!
any reason for the Mo6 over the Mo5?
ive always thought the 6 looks best on bigger cars when theyre bigger wheels, vice versa for the 5s
any reason for the Mo6 over the Mo5?
ive always thought the 6 looks best on bigger cars when theyre bigger wheels, vice versa for the 5s

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Excursion :rs220bhp :Those wheels will look good with the brakes. What size you looking at getting mate?
16" mate, 7" wide I think. I might try for 205/40/16...
Ive got Mo 5's one mine with 205/40/16's, 7" ET35. They clear the arches but mine are rolled and i dont think they would if they still had the lip. What suspension will you be running as i needed 5mm spacers with gaz coilovers?

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Hmm OK, cheers. I'll stick with the 195's then and a 6.5" rim.
Suspension is at the moment Mk5 Zetec-S GMAX.
Suspension is at the moment Mk5 Zetec-S GMAX.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Excursion :Hmm OK, cheers. I'll stick with the 195's then and a 6.5" rim.
Suspension is at the moment Mk5 Zetec-S GMAX.
Yeah will prob be the better option mate, Expensive wheels they are but will look

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Ooo that ain't bad, that same money would get you 17 inch pro race 1.2s

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
jonyb4 :Ooo that ain't bad, that same money would get you 17 inch pro race 1.2s
I don't want 17's, mate. I don't even really want 16's TBH, but I've taken the compromise so I can upgrade the brakes later on.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
is that with or without tyres? im guessing without?
gotta say, your lucky to find a set of wheels where you like in the width your looking for on a 16, all the wheels i like (which isnt many) tend to be 17's or bigger, and when you do find a 16, there 7 or 7.5 wide, which i dont want
gotta say, your lucky to find a set of wheels where you like in the width your looking for on a 16, all the wheels i like (which isnt many) tend to be 17's or bigger, and when you do find a 16, there 7 or 7.5 wide, which i dont want
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
jayrs :is that with or without tyres? im guessing without?
gotta say, your lucky to find a set of wheels where you like in the width your looking for on a 16, all the wheels i like (which isnt many) tend to be 17's or bigger, and when you do find a 16, there 7 or 7.5 wide, which i dont want
It is without tyres mate. I found the same as you - most were 7" minimum and probably like you I also don't want the extra weight and the hassle of scrubbing on bodywork etc.
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Excursion :jayrs :is that with or without tyres? im guessing without?
gotta say, your lucky to find a set of wheels where you like in the width your looking for on a 16, all the wheels i like (which isnt many) tend to be 17's or bigger, and when you do find a 16, there 7 or 7.5 wide, which i dont want
It is without tyres mate. I found the same as you - most were 7" minimum and probably like you I also don't want the extra weight and the hassle of scrubbing on bodywork etc.
the scrubbing is a issure with me, my wheels are 7x15, which was never a problem, but with the rear discs, its pushed the wheels further towards the arch and they only just catch when loaded up, so some thinner hweels, coupled with some skimming of certain things on the rear disc conversion should bring it in enough to clear without problems.
6 inch would be better but i cant say ive come across any that thin on a 16 before
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
I've only just caught this update but wow!
That paint looks superb! you've really done a great job on that
I noticed you weren't wearing an air-fed mask in the pictures, what type of paints did you use?
That paint looks superb! you've really done a great job on that
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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
Great choice on wheels Mark. Brakes look awesome aswell...

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
love the idea of the brakes mark will be keeping close eyes on them

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Re: MWSTEWART | Si project - AP Racing Brakes 19/12
looking forward to more updates on this 
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