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by **rich_frst** on Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:57 pm

wicked!!!!! glad you like mate . . .

by **rich_frst** on Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:46 pm

BIG UPDATE COMIMG PEEPS... WATCH THIS SPACE!!!!!!! :wink:

by **heeman10** on Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:48 pm

Weird, I was thinking yesterday "Where the hell did Rich go?"..and as if by magic!

Was going to PM/email you, but found something better to do :lol:

How are things going old bean?

by **rich_frst** on Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:55 pm

heeman10 :Weird, I was thinking yesterday "Where the hell did Rich go?"..and as if by magic! Was going to PM/email you, but found something better to do How are things going old bean?

HEY DUDE

YEAH MAN THINGS ARE COOL FOR ME!!!! YOU??? HOWZ THE ZT???

FINALLY MOVED INTO MY BUNGALOW ON THE 22ND DECEMBER, FOOKING QUALITY MATE, LOVE IT!!!

NOW ALL MY ATTENTION IS BACK ONTO THE BEAST!!! BOUGHT A FEW MORE GOODIES... GOT LOADS OF PICTURES TO TAKE AND UPLOAD!!! MY TURBO IS ROUND MY GAFF NOW, NOT ROUND MY MUM + DADS..

GOT SO MUCH STUFF TO UPLAOD, IT'LL TAKE AGES, BUT I'LL DO IT SOON..

by **heeman10** on Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:06 pm

That's cool, get some piccies of the new camp too if you can! Must be nice moving out for good :aviator:

Will await pictures! ZT's been great thanks, though it appears the arctic winter conditions have taken their toll, as I discovered the radiator had burst when I went home to it last weekend

It's with Pro Alloy now, will have to see what the damage is. I think I'll just drain it all next winter, it had about 70% anti-freeze in there, clearly wasn't enough to deal with the -14 temperatures! :rolleyes:

Will be doing the Fiesta Thrash at Brunters in April though

by **rich_frst** on Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:19 pm

heeman10 :That's cool, get some piccies of the new camp too if you can! Must be nice moving out for good Will await pictures! ZT's been great thanks, though it appears the arctic winter conditions have taken their toll, as I discovered the radiator had burst when I went home to it last weekend It's with Pro Alloy now, will have to see what the damage is. I think I'll just drain it all next winter, it had about 70% anti-freeze in there, clearly wasn't enough to deal with the -14 temperatures! Will be doing the Fiesta Thrash at Brunters in April though

COOL, WHO ELSE IS DOING IT???

HOPE THERES NOT TO MUCH DAMAGE DONE :-?

YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES SOON, JUST KEEP YOUR EYE OUT MATEY

RICH

by **rich_frst** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:38 pm

As stated above, I have an update - at last!!!!!! :lol:

been a mad last 8-9 months, still been buying bits for my car which you will all see unfold in the very near future

bought a place with my fiancee last june and been doing that up since then. all my hard earned dosh has been pumped into that rather than the beast, but good things come to those who wait eh

moved in 3 days before christmas, fooking love it.... my pride and joy is sitting on my doorstep just waiting to be played with..... heres the view from the loft :cool:

over the past few months i have been helping my bro put his series 1 together, its undergoing major restoration work @ the mo.. new front wings, inner wings, front end, battery tray and a few other bits, we are prepping it all and then we're handing it over to my dad to spray, then its all being put back together then my car goes into the same garage for a few little jobs then a blow over from my dad again... cant wait... in no rush to get it done, want my fiesta perfect when finished... i'll post up a few pictures of my bro's car when i get the pictures off him, then you can see whats first in line before my car gets some treatment... watch this space

one thing i wanted with my engine was a solid, strong, reliable and pretty much bullet proof lump and one which could take a pasting now and again... so with the help of a mate who is into rally cross big time, he's put me on the right road for a few things, management, engine components and a few other wicked mods!! my mate rally's a 270bhp NA ka, it weighs 600 kilos and is weapon and a half, i hoping to go see some of his rally's this year... here's his ka

can up date a few little things tho,

here are some of the engine components i have collected so far....

Fiesta Frenzy Motorsport Zetec Turbo Spec Helix organic 4 Paddle Clutch....

.... and cover plate on freshly ground fiesta turbo flywheel..

Brand spanking new Mountune Forged Focus RS crank

Forged Focus RS Con rods

and.... brand spanking new Forged Focus RS Mahle Pistons

Went to Engine Advantages yesterday to pick up my block, sump and a few other bits...

I had my sump baffled for obvious reasons ....

I was gonna have a go at baffling the sump myself, but thought as it would've been my first attempt i'd leave it to someone who's done it before, looke the dogs tho

well pleased... probably gonna have a go at baffling my bro's sump for his series 1..

how the oil pick up will sit....

and also had a -10 fitting welded in place for my oil return for my turbo..

because i'm turbo'ing a black top zetec lump, I've had a Fiesta RS1800 water pump (silver top) fitted because it runs in the correct direction (forwards) as the black top water pump is totally the opposite...

also picked up some champion Focus RS plugs too...

next step is to go to Ford with a massive shopping list, that has been added to time and time again :cry:

and then i'm passing on my engine and parts collected to another friend who builds competition race engines... once thats done hopefully the series1 will be welll on its way to being complete, then its all systems go....

as it stands that is all i can show you at the mo, dont wanna give too much away just yet.... so watch this space peeps.... :wink:

I'll hopefully have a few other bits to show you soon....

cheers for looking...

coments please

by **Xr_Dub** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:07 pm

awsome stuff rich

by **heeman10** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:49 pm

Rich, who on earth put the turbo oil return fitting there?? Looks FAR too low to me, assuming you're going to run the car with more than 20mm of oil in the sump? I suggest you question the positioning of that... the rest looks nice though, good choice going for Ian's Helix clutch rather than the AP, it's much more forgiving

by **rich_frst** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:04 pm

heeman10 :Rich, who on earth put the turbo oil return fitting there?? Looks FAR too low to me, assuming you're going to run the car with more than 20mm of oil in the sump? I suggest you question the positioning of that... the rest looks nice though, good choice going for Ian's Helix clutch rather than the AP, it's much more forgiving

well matey the guy that is tuning my car, paul hills told me that this is the best position, and is very similar to the focus rs sump...

by **heeman10** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:31 pm

I don't really know how much you know Rich, but basically, the oil's going in the top of the turbo, and has to come out at the bottom through the return hose and into the sump. If the return on the sump is below the oil level, then there will be a back pressure in the oil return hose, and the oil won't drain from the turbo, it'll just sit there and get hot, and possibly increase the system pressure (not so sure about that, have had a few drinks, going out shortly :lol:

).

by **filtra** on Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:03 pm

Looks like your making good progress! First time i've heard about sump baffling, what's its function? Im baffled! Would some one care to un-baffle me :lol:

by **Excursion** on Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:15 pm

Rich as pointed out that return is in the incorrect place.

The Focus RS has the return in the alloy section of the sump, above the oil level. You'll get blue smoke out of the exhaust if you leave it like that.

by **MarkRS2K** on Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:54 pm

yeah i was gonna ask about this baffling business?

by **heeman10** on Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:40 pm

You'll probably find some useful stuff on the net if you search a bit

Baffling is used to make sure the oil pickup head is always immersed in oil, so the engine won't run out of oil. On cars that are capable of, and driven hard enough to generate high lateral acceleration forces (G's), the oil is sloshed around in the sump. On a high-G corner, the oil will all run over to one side of the sump, and the oil pickup will be left in thin air. Then, of course, the engine will be getting no oil supply and damage will be caused.

Baffling stops this movement of the oil to an extent, and makes sure there's always a reservoir of oil for the pickup pipe to feed from. You can see the little hinged gates in Rich's sump. If oil sloshes to the outer area of the sump, it's allowed to slosh through the gates, but the gates shut to stop oil leaving the central cavity of the sump. A plate is often welded in overhead to minimise the oil's movement further.

When motorbike engines are installed in cars, baffling gets important. Bike oil only really moves backwards and forwards, as cornering forces affect the oil much less (leaning into the corner counteracts the G forces the oil experiences to an extent). So when a bike engine is subject to car-type cornering forces, oil movement becomes a problem.

by **rich_frst** on Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:28 pm

heeman10 :I don't really know how much you know Rich, but basically, the oil's going in the top of the turbo, and has to come out at the bottom through the return hose and into the sump. If the return on the sump is below the oil level, then there will be a back pressure in the oil return hose, and the oil won't drain from the turbo, it'll just sit there and get hot, and possibly increase the system pressure (not so sure about that, have had a few drinks, going out shortly ).

Excursion :Rich as pointed out that return is in the incorrect place.

The Focus RS has the return in the alloy section of the sump, above the oil level. You'll get blue smoke out of the exhaust if you leave it like that.

WITH A RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU 2 HAVE WROTE, THE GUY WHO IS TUNING MY CAR -PAUL HILLS- -OF ENGINE ADVANTAGES- http://www.engine-advantages.co.uk/ GAVE ME A BREIF SUMMARY AS TO WHY WE HAVE PUT IT IN THIS PLACE...

THIS IS NOT IN THE "incorrect place" THE OIL RETURN IS ACTUALLY IN A BETTER POSITION BELOW OIL LEVEL IF YOU HAVE A PUKKA BREATHER SYSTEM, LIKE I HAVE. IT WAS PLANNED TO BE PLACED HERE DUE TO MY SYSTEM.. WITH THE BREATHER SYSTEM IN PLACE NO CRANK CASE PRESSURE WILL HOLD UP THE OIL AND CAUSE SMOKING DUE TO THE OIL PASSING THRU THE SEALS AND OUT THRU THE EXHAUST SYSTEM... ENGINE ADVANTAGES HAVE RUN MANY MANY ZETEC TURBO APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER. ANY CRANK CASE PRESSURE IS LOST THRU MY BREATHER OUTLET... I TRUST PAUL WITH EVERYTHING HE TELLS ME COS HE HAS BEEN THERE AND GOT THE T SHIRT SO TO SPEAK... BELOW IS A BREIF DESCRIPTION OF HIM FROM THE WEBSITE ABOVE :wink:

Managing Director Paul Hills has over 10 years experience in the development, tuning and mapping of engines, using managment systems including: Pectel, Motec, EFI, Gems and Unichip.
He has worked with manufactures such as Ford (WRC), Hyundi (WRC), Skoda (WRC),
MG (le mans LMP 675, BTC and Rally) and Nissan (World Series).
He has also worked with Ford, Subaru and Mitsubishi (group N): Formula Palmer Audi and numerous well-known private clients in the Uk and Worldwide. In addition, he has vast experience in tuning road cars to a performance level such as Ford Focus Rs, T190 and T230 and of course the mighty Cosworth.

SO THANKS FOR THE CONCERN GUYS BUT I'M REALLY OK WITH WHATS BEEN DONE... WHEN YOU SAID WHAT YOU'D SAID I HAD TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I'D ALREADY BEEN TOLD JUST TO MAKE SURE WHAT I SAID ABOVE WAS CORRECT...

by **heeman10** on Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:36 pm

I can't speak for Excursion, but I'm questioning the position not because of crankcase pressure, but because of oil levels and pressure differentials. For fluid flow to occur, there must be a pressure differential, and the fluid will flow from the higher pressure area to the lower pressure area. Having such a low oil return port will reduce the size of the pressure differential between the oil return hose and the sump, and so slow the flow of the oil. If the flowrate in the oil return hose is low enough for the smaller pressure differential to have a small enough effect for the turbo to maintain a high enough oil flow rate, then all will be fine. I've never measured the rate of flow in the hose though, so couldn't guarantee that. So if it were mine, I'd be playing it safe and raising the oil return. If Paul's happy with the way he's done it, and has experience with similar engines, I'm sure all will be just fine. Thanks for the enormous CAPS LOCK ESSAY THOUGH RICH!

by **Excursion** on Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:03 pm

The breather system, whether 'PUKKA' or otherwise, has no bearing on the Turbo oil return if it is below the oil level in the sump, so that response is totally incorrect. The problem comes not with the breather system, but from the sump oil, which resists displacement from the incoming turbo return oil.

A good breather system offers an advantage if the oil return is in a position ABOVE the oil level, which is where I'd put mine (same place Ford have always done).

If they get it to run like that, then fine, but I stand by what I said mate. The only return that should be below oil level is the oil breather.

by **RS_Rawli** on Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:17 pm

i worked on a sprinter today, that must mean ive worked with mercedes

also worked near a TVR, and near TVR, and behind MSD, im well clued up now

or MAYBE I SHOULD WRITE A REPLY LIKE THIS SO ITS REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO READ< AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE IM SHOUTING ABUSE

im sorry to say that i probably started this, having mentioned it to heeman and discussing, i couldnt be arsed with the agro of someone arguing the toss when i questioned what looked to be an appauling location for the oil return.

but then i know nothing, and neither do probably the two most informed users of the BB. Im not starting a fight im just stating that that man whos taking your money isnt the gods gift to the tuning world, and regardless to what he tells you IMO that is a poo place to locate the return, and WILL make your car smoke and kill your turbo quickly.

again not meaning to rahl you but wanted to get my point across.

Cheers

no disrespect

Chris

by **edlin** on Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:37 pm

Hey Rich, love what your doing with your car (a propper job :aviator:

) but im posting about Heathers fezzer (the one that inspired me to get a mk3 rs lookalike) i seen it in the PF grudge match March 05, i missed the other gm feacher

so i was wondering if you could post some new pics of it, i guess its blue with a zetec turbo conversion now? + did u2 do the work on the front bumper (number plate area) or was it taken to a body shop?

by **rich_frst** on Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:15 pm

afternoon all.....

after reading a few of your replies, i got onto my tuner just to be re assured about what has been planned and under taken already....

paul re-assures me this will work without any problems what so ever, so i have my complete trust in him :aviator:

also i posted on passionford and asked other peoples opinion

here's the link to it:
http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewto ... 54#2759254

as you can read there are lots of different opinions, and again from certain peoples comments, of whom some i know, i am even more confident in what i'm doing with my engine..

so thanks for the advise.....

i did take on board what you said, breifly...

and sorry for upsetting people cos i had CAPS LOCK on :lol:

by **heeman10** on Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:31 pm

Rich - I've just read every response to your thread, and I don't know which thread you were reading, but those replies back up our recommendations for it being above, not below the oil level. Perhaps two people said they'd be "ok" with it being below the oil level, but more were saying:
(a) they haven't seen manufacturers placing turbo oil returns below the oil level
(b) wouldn't put theirs there
(c) don't have their own returns below the sump oil level.

Tony's comment about the baffle plate holds true as well. If I were adamant on putting a turbo oil return below the sump oil level, I'd certainly have a gate in front of it in a baffled sump!

Read what people are saying about pressure differentials, backpressures etc, it's more in favour of placing it above the oil level, just as Excursion and I have been saying. A breather return's fine being below the oil level, but that's different to the turbo's oil return.

I'll go through the PF thread now and add up people giving "above" or "below" feedback..e.g "they're normally above" will be considered to be "above" feedback:

Above: 11
Below: 4

See what I mean? I think maybe you need to read your thread on PF again Rich. I still say that if Paul's done these before with good results, you should be ok, but there's no way I'd put mine there that's for damn sure!

by **xrsi** on Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:33 pm

in all honesty i would say that the only return under the level of the oil in the sump shoud be a breather as it is not flowing a large amount of oil through it where as the turbo will so a slight backing effect will not casue much difference....

think about it this way, as you fill up a large neck bottle with the oil from your sump with a long funnel that sits half way down the bottle...

as you poor the oil the flow rate wil be quick due to there being a large pressure difference and no restrictions in the pasageway of the oil, as the oil get to the funnel then the oil will instantly flow down due to the equalisation of the pressure difference (ie next to no diference) and will start to back up the funnel.

thnik of what that is going to be doing inside your turbo.....

also i would say that it would be better if any return was to be angled into the sump to prevent large surges going into the return under heavy cornering/ change in acceleration.

by **heeman10** on Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:35 pm

xrsi :also i would say that it would be better if any return was to be angled into the sump to prevent large surges going into the return under heavy cornering/ change in acceleration.

Agreed, would aid drainage, and hinder backwash.

by **rich_frst** on Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:27 pm

heeman10 :Rich - I've just read every response to your thread, and I don't know which thread you were reading, but those replies back up our recommendations for it being above, not below the oil level. Perhaps two people said they'd be "ok" with it being below the oil level, but more were saying:
(a) they haven't seen manufacturers placing turbo oil returns below the oil level
(b) wouldn't put theirs there
(c) don't have their own returns below the sump oil level.

Tony's comment about the baffle plate holds true as well. If I were adamant on putting a turbo oil return below the sump oil level, I'd certainly have a gate in front of it in a baffled sump!

Read what people are saying about pressure differentials, backpressures etc, it's more in favour of placing it above the oil level, just as Excursion and I have been saying. A breather return's fine being below the oil level, but that's different to the turbo's oil return.

I'll go through the PF thread now and add up people giving "above" or "below" feedback..e.g "they're normally above" will be considered to be "above" feedback:

Above: 11
Below: 4

See what I mean? I think maybe you need to read your thread on PF again Rich. I still say that if Paul's done these before with good results, you should be ok, but there's no way I'd put mine there that's for damn sure!

furry muff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEE YOU ON MSN MATE

sorry See you on MSN mate. :wink:

by **heeman10** on Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:30 pm

SEEN

by **CharlieT** on Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:38 pm

Does Paul Hills map on the road mate? :-?

by **rich_frst** on Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:31 pm

CharlieT :Does Paul Hills map on the road mate?

yes mate he does

by **j7aoc** on Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:51 pm

My car return's to the sump just a bit higher then that and it's like a funnel that aims upwards mine's been on there for some time and been good for me turbo dynamics say it the best way to return the oil

by **FezzR** on Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:51 pm

the VAG 1.8 20vt engine has the return in the same place and does not suffer any negative effects.

going on people belief of the oil not being able to flow out of the turbo, this would suggest that oil leaving the turbo is under absolutely no pressure at all or at least less pressure than that cause by the weight of the oil in the sump, i find this extremely hard to believe ( there maybe proof otherwise? ), ok the turbo is going to considerable reduce the pressure from the oil feed to return but there is surely still some?

by **ianFRST** on Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:14 pm

bit of a heated debate this then

all i can say is my oil return was in the block, so above oil level. and many people do the same

i guess if he has reasons, he has reasons, good luck

by **rich_frst** on Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:26 am

j7aoc :My car return's to the sump just a bit higher then that and it's like a funnel that aims upwards mine's been on there for some time and been good for me turbo dynamics say it the best way to return the oil

by **rich_frst** on Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:27 am

ianFRST :bit of a heated debate this then

all i can say is my oil return was in the block, so above oil level. and many people do the same

i guess if he has reasons, he has reasons, good luck

Thank you please Ian

by **adamburzynski** on Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:14 pm

xrsi :
also i would say that it would be better if any return was to be angled into the sump to prevent large surges going into the return under heavy cornering/ change in acceleration.

when u say angled into the sump, i take it u mean so the top (conection end) is higher than the bottom (welded to the sump end)?

just asking as i've been watching this thread for a while and nice to see everyones points of veiw before i build mine...

plus what sump is that u have used rich?

by **rich_frst** on Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:18 pm

adamburzynski :plus what sump is that u have used rich?

is the sump off the engine (black top) bottom section is steel, top half is ali...

back to the subject i havent done anything with my car, been off work now for 5 weeks with whiplash, still recovering.... hope to have an update soon tho :wink:

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