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[jayrs]

[knuckles]

its been put back in the garage for now. Its drinking more oil than petrol atm.
Using the mini instead. Still undecided what course of action to take. Part of me wants to strip down what i got and rebuild it like i had done with my cvh turbo lump.

[jayrs]

if you can afford to, then do so mate.
if you wanna keep driving it, bung another ,lump in for the time being

[jonyb4]

if you can afford to, then do so mate.
if you wanna keep driving it, bung another ,lump in for the time being

i agree, personally id rebuild it, but im sentimental

[knuckles]

ive decided not to go for a used engine. Its too much effort plus dont want to pay out for gaskets, bolts , oil etc only to find its another tired engine.

Ive weighed up the cost of pistons , crank regrind, shells , and the cost of having block bored.

I then checked with ford and found out they still do a brand new 2.0 zetec short block complete with pistons , crank and bearings. so i may be going down this route

[Excursion]

ive decided not to go for a used engine. Its too much effort plus dont want to pay out for gaskets, bolts , oil etc only to find its another tired engine.

Ive weighed up the cost of pistons , crank regrind, shells , and the cost of having block bored.

I then checked with ford and found out they still do a brand new 2.0 zetec short block complete with pistons , crank and bearings. so i may be going down this route

I assume that a short motor is more than £500? Bear in mind that you'll still have a head with worn guides, seals, valve seats and potentially valves. A top end gasket set is another £30, and that's using pattern parts.

Can you be bothered to fit a black top? You can get a complete new engine for less than the cost of a silver top short motor from Ford.

[knuckles]

I assume that a short motor is more than £500? Bear in mind that you'll still have a head with worn guides, seals, valve seats and potentially valves. A top end gasket set is another £30, and that's using pattern parts.

Can you be bothered to fit a black top? You can get a complete new engine for less than the cost of a silver top short motor from Ford.

the short block will cost me £644 inc vat.
Ive just checked the price of a black top complete engine and it costs £2493 inc vat ?

If i go short block route i would have head checked by my engineer before i fit it.
Regards to fitting a black top. I wouldnt want to mod the mk2 chassis to fit a black top then change the hoses again etc. Im more than happy with a silver top tbh.

[- Danny Boy -]

Brand new blacktop engines are only about £600

[knuckles]

ive just checked the price of a black top head. Thats over 600 on its own. So how and where did you get a price from a ford main dealer for a complete engine for £600 ?

[~nomad~]

Loads on ebay. you are on crack if you spend near a grand building up a silvertop zetec tbh

[Excursion]

Black top motors are widely available for £550-650, not from Ford themselves obviously

Ford in 2004 sold off 14,000 of them to various Kit car companies. I bought one for my Si project for £600, and that included a set of brand new Focus RS injectors as a sweetener!

Short motors for Ford are reconditioned anyway (they come with the green parts label). Brand new motors were only available until a year after the Mk1 Mondeo went out of production. You could get your own rebuilt for much less than that as unlike the CVH, the Zetec doesn't tend to suffer thrust face wear and so quite often you can get away with honing and new rings.

[knuckles]

whether its a recon block or a new one. It will defo solve my problem without on spending x amount on my current engine then buying new pistons, rings, shells.

If i strip down my current block and just do the rings it wont cure the piston slap and knocking it has.

[- Danny Boy -]

As Nomad said, there are a few on ebay. They come with running in oil already in the sump, and are brand new in the crate with manifolds, alternator and other bits and bobs iirc.

I used to stick them in kit cars, we would ditch the standard inlet and exhaust manifolds, change them with alpha webber throttle body setups and 4-1 manifolds, then change the sump and pickup to a shorter and wider one and go from there. Random bit of info for you lol.

But yeah, you can get them on the bay for around £600

[Excursion]

Here's mine Worth it just to look at

Clark - I thought this was just an oil loss issue. If it's knocking then ditch it because that worn metal has to go somewhere i.e. all around the engine.

There are too many decent Zetecs out there, even the 130k milers still have honing marks in the bores, this engine sounds like a nail.

[Excursion]

PS if you really must rebuild yours, then I would overbore and fit XE pistons. that way you can guarantee small end and bore clearances.

A full rebuild of your motor can be done for less than £500.

[jonyb4]

this is all a tough desision

but i believe mark to be talking alot of sense clark, if its more damage than just blowning oil past a piston ring, ie this piston wobble, id simply do away with the engine

didnt you recently do a gasket kit on this engine? surely if you've only driven a new hundred miles the exhaust inlet cam cover etc ones are still usable?

[jayrs]

you wanna call that place back and ask for another price, what they said to you on the phone seems far to much, and i think they got it confussed mate

[knuckles]

its using a bit of oil when you floor it. There is evidence of oil specs on the tailgate from the exhaust. I had to top up the engine with 2 litres of oil in total. When engine is cold i have a distingtive knocking noise when you apply throttle. Been told by a few people its piston slap.

at a guess i think cylinder 4 is worn and letting oil past the rings

Clark - I thought this was just an oil loss issue. If it's knocking then ditch it because that worn metal has to go somewhere i.e. all around the engine.

this engine sounds like a nail.

as i previously said this engine has a knock when you apply the throttle.

didnt you recently do a gasket kit on this engine? surely if you've only driven a new hundred miles the exhaust inlet cam cover etc ones are still usable?

i didnt do any gasket kit to this engine - i literally bought it and fit it.

[Excursion]

as i previously said this engine has a knock when you apply the throttle.

Oh sorry I didn't previously read that.

[knuckles]

here is a short video which you can hear the knocking noise. It was on my way to work.

[black2]

Clark, go Blacktop. No chassis mods are required, its simple to fit. Modded cvh engine mount (rally designs do them on exchange for £50) only other thing is you need an idlier pully for the altenator to make sure the water pump spins the correct way. Everything else is the same as silver top ie manifolds water pipes, gearbox etc.

look on xr2.com theres loads of blacktops in mk2's there.

Gareth.

[jayrs]

is there anything different about the modded cvh engine mount on a black top to that of a silver top?
ive already modded his one to fit the silver top

[- Danny Boy -]

That doesnt sound healthy

[black2]

is there anything different about the modded cvh engine mount on a black top to that of a silver top?
ive already modded his one to fit the silver top

Yeah it would need changing again, I will see if i can find some pics of it.

Gareth.

[sjoyce666]

Stick a ST170 lump in and strap a turbo onto it

[black2]

[dontpannic]

Stick a ST170 lump in and strap a turbo onto it

Gaffer tape?

[jayrs]

ah thats not too bad i can do that easy enough

[black2]

the vid sounds like a canal boat on acid!

Gareth.

[black2]

ah thats not too bad i can do that easy enough

Fancy making two? (if i supply you with a mount)

Gareth.

[jayrs]

yeah i dont mine mate, there will be a charge though.

i'll have to get a template of where the holes need to be

[black2]

Of course mate, I would'nt expect you to do it for nothing, Iam from Devon but on not that tight lol.

You rekon it would be difficult to make?

Gareth.

[jayrs]

na not really, i would cut a bit and weld it on then redrill the holes in the right place, but the meatl i would use would be thicker than the metal on the mount.

really i would like to have a engine here so i could make one, drill the holes and then test fit it to make sure it fits fine, but without it, a template will have to do and ill work from that

[knuckles]

well havent decided what im going to do yet until i gather some money together.


i have been doing some last minute jobs on the mk2 this evening.



Fitted proper heat shield so no more cable ties !


Ryan donated a air filter that fits the maf so that did away with the black tape


Nice genuine ford fuel filter


A sticker that is now correct to the engine



mounting the ecu with the fancy bracket jay made me. I used armourflex tape to insulate the bracket.




I cut off the rubber boot to allow more room for the loom to flex and manouver the ecu into position.


All fitted , mount was fitted to the brake servo mounting studs on bulkhead.



Under dash insulation refitted

[Smo]

How available are those 2.0 decals?

I made a load a few years ago when Henry wanted one but I can't find them anywhere

Car's coming on so well though, Clark... You'll love this more than the Turbo soon