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by **CharlieB** on Thu Jul 20, 2000 4:25 am

has anybody used cossie management on the Fiesta? was it difficult to set up? what about heads and cams, a friend that used to work at turbosystems reckons that it increases turbo lag, True/False. does it rev better at the top end cos it's a real pisser watching the rev counter going so slowly, and what about chips i've been told by a well know tuning company that 195 Superchips are "dangerous" and fuel consumtion goes through the roof? (not bothered) with beige injectors. true/false? what power would be expected cos i am dissapointed with the 165 chip i've got 178bhp with the same torque from about 2000/2500 rpm up to 5,500 rpm at Power engineering. who's changed to the T3 turbo is it worth it?

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Thu Jul 20, 2000 6:34 am

I'VE HAD THE T3 CONVERSION, AND THINK ITS THE NUTS,THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT STARTS TO BOOST AT 4-4.5000RPM,INSTEAD OF 2000RPM, BUT IT JUST THROWS U BACK. IVE HAD CAMS,BEIGE INJ,CHARGECOOLER,RS500 AIRFILTER(WHICH IS HUGE),BUT I WANT A ZETEC BOTTOM END CONV(HOPEFULLY NOT 2 F***ING EXPENSIVE,MY BANK MANAGER & GIRLFRIEND HATE ME)THATS ABOUT IT FOR NOW,JUST GOTTA SAVE SOME DOSH,AND THINK ABOUT WHAT 2 DO NEXT!!! ANYONE KNOW ANY IDEAS?????APPROX 230BHP(HOPEFULLY) JAY [Edited by JASON LORENZO FRANCO (20-07-2000 at 06:34 PM).]

by **Adrian** on Sat Jul 22, 2000 10:58 am

2 litre Zetec, 16v head, Rollerbearing hybrid T3... mmmmm. <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif"> Adrian.

by **Andy** on Mon Jul 31, 2000 4:00 am

Jason Lorenzo Franco, 4,000-4,500????????????? somethings wrong there then!!!!!!!! Castle Performance offer a similar conversion and it produces 240bhp, so if your running all those mods and still not that near to 230bhp even, summats not right!!!!!!!!! on an Escort turbo the T3 cuts in at bout 3,000 revs, if yours is cutting in that late, you only got 2,000 revs before engine cuts!!!!!! Take it to a rolling road and have them check the boost, actuator, fueling etc cos sounds like youve got a lot of power not yet been unleashed! Also, check out my web page for information on the 240bhp conversion Castle Performance do for the Fiesta and tick off how many mods you've got the same/similar and count how many horses less you have lost somewhere! http://www.castleperformance.co.uk

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Tue Aug 01, 2000 5:58 am

CHEERS ANDY FOR THE ADVICE, DO YOU KNOW IF P.T.S'S ROLLING ROAD IS ANY GOOD,AND I'VE JUST READ THE BIT ABOUT TOP SPEEDS & GOT TO SAY I'VE SEEN 150MPH, BUT I'VE ONLY GOT FIFTEEN IN ALLOYS, DOE'S THIS SOUND RIGHT. ALSO I AM GETTING SOME CLUTCH SLIP WHEN RAGGING IT, ANY THOUGHTS ON A DECENT CLUTCH KIT(PREF NOT A PADDLE ONE, AS I'VE HEARD THESE ARE AWFUL FOR AROUND TOWN) ANY ADVICE WELCOME!!!!!!!! CHEERS JAY! P.S I'VE JUST VISITED CASTLES SITE,AND WAS WONDERING WHAT OFAB MANAGEMENT WAS!! + WOULD I BENEFIT FROM A BAYJOO CHIP( I'VE GOT A S/CHIPS ONE! CHEERS!! [Edited by JASON LORENZO FRANCO (01-08-2000 at 05:42 PM).] [Edited by JASON LORENZO FRANCO (01-08-2000 at 05:58 PM).]

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Wed Aug 02, 2000 8:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JASON LORENZO FRANCO on 07-20-2000 06:34 PM I'VE HAD THE T3 CONVERSION, AND THINK ITS THE NUTS,THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT STARTS TO BOOST AT 4-4.5000RPM,INSTEAD OF 2000RPM, BUT IT JUST THROWS U BACK. IVE HAD CAMS,BEIGE INJ,CHARGECOOLER,RS500 AIRFILTER(WHICH IS HUGE),BUT I WANT A ZETEC BOTTOM END CONV(HOPEFULLY NOT 2 F***ING EXPENSIVE,MY BANK MANAGER & GIRLFRIEND HATE ME)THATS ABOUT IT FOR NOW,JUST GOTTA SAVE SOME DOSH,AND THINK ABOUT WHAT 2 DO NEXT!!! ANYONE KNOW ANY IDEAS?????APPROX 230BHP(HOPEFULLY) JAY [Edited by JASON LORENZO FRANCO (20-07-2000 at 06:34 PM).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Wed Aug 02, 2000 8:22 am

Andy, cheers for the advice,about the bayjoo chip,any ideas on where and how much for one??????? also how do u find out if i've got a ofab(u sure it ain't a sexual disease or something!!!!!!!!) cheers again! jay;-)

by **Paul R** on Wed Aug 02, 2000 10:42 am

Andy, I got 162bhp out of a 165 superchip!?! I gave Ahmed Bayjoo a call about a chip and they said they no longer did chip's for the Fester 'cos he had far too many problems with them?, what rolling road did your car roll 192bhp on and what psi was your car set up at and did you have to use a uprated actuator? Paul R

by **Andy** on Wed Aug 02, 2000 10:50 am

Jason, Im running 192bhp without hardly and mods to my car!!!!!!!! purely cos of the Ahmed Bayjoo chip!!!!! Ahmed is considered to be the best in the business and anyone who changes their superchip to an ahmed will instantly notice the difference! Superchips brought out a 165 and 195 chip. The 165 was really bout 140, and the 195 bout 165!!!!!!!!! Reason? Superchips have a default tuning chip that they alter per car. not good! Ahmed created his chips from scratch by sitting in the passenger seat of fiesta rst for example while colleague drove it round for a week. ahmed had laptop on knee and connected to his chip in the ECU. He basically adjusted the chip while it was on the road from feedback from his colleague as to flatspots and lag etc, and this is how come Ahmeds chips are guaranteed what they say they are power wise! Also, at 4,000 revs, ya feel another pickup of power!!!!!!!!!!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif"> sorted!!!!! OFAB and OFAC are the different types of management the fiesta uses. OFAB is the better of the two.

by **Paul R** on Sat Aug 05, 2000 10:35 am

oopps!! Didn't think the first one went through. Got my New Turbo on today Santa Pod on the 13th anyone?? Paul R [Edited by Paul R (05-08-2000 at 10:35 PM).]

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Mon Aug 07, 2000 7:00 am

PAUL R, 13TH OF THIS MONTH!!! I'll be up for a bit of that(if i get my car back from the garage,gasket on me turbo's gone,thank f*@k for warranty's). WHAT TURBO DID U GET? ALSO WHERE IN HERTS ARE YOU? JAY [Edited by JASON LORENZO FRANCO (07-08-2000 at 07:00 PM).]

by **Paul R** on Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:48 am

I went for a standard T2 from the Turbo Shop. I hear T3's are a good option but I haven't got that sort of money and can't be bothered with all the mods you need to do. I live near Cheshunt/Potters Bar, were are you? I'm definatly going to Santa pod on sunday, I'm having a tune up and a kent 35 cam kit done on wednesday, so i'm hoping to beat my 15.18 I did last time!! Anyone else going??? Ade, was your car alright? what time did you get home? Paul R [Edited by Paul R (07-08-2000 at 10:48 PM).]

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Tue Aug 08, 2000 6:51 am

PAUL R I LIVE IN SUNNY,NO SH@*TY STEVENAGE,BUT MY OLD MAN LIVES IN CHESHUNT,SO I'M ALWAYS UP THERE. ANYWAY IF I GET MY CAR BACK ON SATURDAY,YOU CAN SEE WHAT A T3 GOES LIKE(AS LONG AS MY CLUTCH DOESN'T LET GO,OR THE AA WILL BE HAVING A GO!!)BUT I SHOULD FIND OUT SOON,HAS ANYONE HEARD OF THE GASKET ON THE TURBO GOING?????? CHEERS JAY!

by **Adrian** on Tue Aug 08, 2000 8:59 am

Paul, Car's fine now, I'll give you a ring tonight. Adrian.

by **Paul R** on Tue Aug 08, 2000 10:53 am

Yeah, give me a shout! I've not heard of a turbo gasket going but I bet it costs loads!! Paul R

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Wed Aug 09, 2000 7:09 am

PAUL, I'VE JUST SPOKE TO THE GARAGE AND THEY SAID THEY'VE SENT THE TURBO OFF TO GET BALANCED,AND HAVE NOT RECIEVED IT BACK YET. BUT HAVE PROMISED TO HOPEFULLY HAVE IT READY FOR SATURDAY MORNING,HOW MUCH DAMAGE CAN ONE GASKET CREATE!!!!!!!!! I DON'T SUPPOSE U WORK AT XTREME DO YOU? JUST I'VE ONLY FOUND OUT THAT MY P/PLATE IS ONE NUMBER DIFFERENT FROM JASON RIPPS!!! SMALL BLOODY WORLD JAY PS ANYONE KNOW FIESTA FRENZYS NUMBER!!!!!!!!

by **Adrian** on Thu Aug 10, 2000 9:57 am

Fiesta Frenzy: 01522 778787 <A HREF="mailto:ian_howell@lineone.net">ian_howell@lineone.net</A> Adrian

by **Paul R** on Sat Aug 12, 2000 3:38 am

Jason, I've seen your fezzie!! a couple of weeks ago in wormley your no.plate is C8, red right?? I've heard a few bad things about Atford, but I have no personal experiences with the company, I've always used Power+ I don't work for Xtreme but I know a few of the staff, Paul R

by **FesterRS** on Mon Aug 14, 2000 2:30 am

Forgive me everyone for such a stupid question but what nationality is Ahmed? Its obviously not your traditional English name and have heard his name so often i was purely wondering what nationalality he is?

by **Paul R** on Mon Aug 14, 2000 4:06 am

Andy, I phoned up MA Developements, they told me they no longer did chips for the Fester? My superchip was a hundred percent 165chip as I had it flashed to a OFAB before fitting. It was just set up properly by Power+, When you say the fuel pressure was uprated was this by larger injectors? who set up the chip for you? I'm getting my chip reflashed to a 195 superchip and changing the injectors soon. See Ya Paul R

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Mon Aug 14, 2000 6:16 am

PAUL R, DIDN'T REALISE HOW MANY PEOPLE TAKE NOTICE OF NO PLATES,YES THATS THE ONE(ME THINKS I SHOULD SPEND SOME MONEY TIDYING IT UP!!!)WAS I NAILLING IT AND DID IT SOUND GOOD???? THESE BAD THINGS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT ATFORD,LIKE WHAT SORT OF THING(I'VE GOT SOME F&*KING STORYS,THATS WHY I WANT TO CHAT TO F/FRENZY)NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME FLASH US OVER,WHAT COLOURS YOUR'S!!!!! ANYWAY THATS ENOUGH WINGING,MAYBE I'LL FILL U IN ONE DAY!! JAY

by **Paul R** on Tue Aug 15, 2000 4:26 am

Andy, Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't believe you, It's just everyone raves on about these Ahmed chips but I've never found anyone to sell them (I didn't know Castle did), maybe Ahmed doesn't want to deal with small timers anymore <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/frown.gif"> (he must be loaded!!) You've got to admit that your quoting an amazing figure for the mods and using standard injectors!! I'm asking these questions because this is going to be my next upgrade, but if I can get 192bhp!! just from a chip and setup I'd be mad to go to the expense of larger injectors. Have you done a 1/4 mile recently? Jason, The car did look good and sounded alright although I only glimsed the car 'cos you were giving some, its pretty low! are they League rims on yours? I've got a Red H-reg Fester with small no.plates and slammed over 15" cossie style rims. A friend told me he had a chip done on his Fester by Atford and the car was no faster than before the chip. Paul R [Edited by Paul R (15-08-2000 at 04:26 PM).]

by **Andy** on Tue Aug 15, 2000 7:23 am

FesterRS: I think he's indian. There was a piccy of him in Performance Ford not long ago as they did a feature on him as he is well known in the rally industry for BIG bhp cosworths. Paul R: Phone Castle Performance on 01782 715006 and ask them about reliability of Ahmeds chips and availability, or go to Tyron Barrett's webpage at <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/8129/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/8129/</A> and James Wheelers webpage at <A HREF="http://www.fiestas.mcmail.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.fiestas.mcmail.com</A> and see what these guys think. Heres an extract from Ty's: "Having researched the chip market, and seen many of my friends' cars blown to smithereens by their supposed '195bhp' SuperChips conversions, I opted for Ahmed Bayjoo's phase 1, priced at £350. Fitted at their workshop in Romford in Essex, the whole conversion took approximately 2-3 hours to complete. Changes include new platinum spark plugs, an uprated actuator, remapped ECU (plug-in board type), and various tuning tweaks combined with road tests to get the car running perfectly. You will, however, have to switch to using 'super unleaded' type petrol to avoid detonation when running at full boost. Ahmed is currently looking into producing a modified chip for those still wishing to use normal unleaded petrol, albeit running at reduced power. Ahmed claims about 165bhp should be achievable from this setup. Although this may seem a little low by most tuners standards, I can confirm that the car now easily keeps up with just about every other Fiesta Turbo I've come up against, barring a couple of examples where the owners had spent thousands on their engines (and they didn't get away easily!) I'm due to have the car's output measured fairly shortly and will place the outcome on this page in due course. More encouraging is the reliability of the conversion. Since fitting, I've covered over 10000 miles with very little in the way of problems (other than lunching the gearbox due to the increased power!). The engine has now done in excess of 90000 miles all on the original turbo!" Im still running standard injectors, but the fuel pressure was increased by Castle Performance who have set the car up along with the guys at the K&N Research and Development Centre.

by JJ on Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:02 am

Well, there's quite a discussion going on here, and it'd be rude not to put my twopenneth in!! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif"> I talk to Ahmed on a fairly regular basis, and was not aware of him stopped FRST chips, but will ask him for you, and get a definitive answer. Sure, he can appear arrogant, but when you are at his level professionally, the questions most people ask him try his patience. If you want the best, go see him, money at the ready, listen to what he has to say, and let him get on with it. If you're after more details about the man himself, see my website - <A HREF="http://www.fiestas.mcmail.com/ab.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.fiestas.mcmail.com/ab.html</A> Theses pages were sanctioned by Ahmed himself, who proof-read the lot, and will include feature work at a later date. His phone/email details are there too. For the record, the OFAC is the better of the OFAB/OFAC FRST ECUs since it uses an improved MAP sensor. The OFAB system uses the old Weber/Marelli style one. 80% of FRSTs run an OFAB system, but the last batch (1991) ran the improved system. The only difference is the ECU/MAP sensor. Superchips - oh what fun <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif"> I ran a 195 chip, which overfuelled at the top end (to prevent detonation) and then bore-washed the pistons, knackering the piston rings in a very short space of time. With the car totally std, it produced 167bhp and 192 lb/ft torque. It was fun for a while, but not very kind to the engine. Ahmed's 170 chip is way, way superior and an awesome (and reliable) package for £400! Cossie management - not really worthwhile, if you ask me (on a FRST anyway). A lot of ERST owners use it as the KE-Jetronic system they have is woefully inadequate in comparison. There's a LOT of work involved, and the FRST EECIV is close enough performance-wise for it not to be worth bothering with. If you want +30bhp, then look at a Pectel T2 system, around £1500 all in I think. The Pectel is fully adjustable/mappable and will squeeze every last ounce of power from an engine. Cams - almost all the cams for the FRST are useless, period! Most are designed for old mechanical injection (K-Jetronic) XR3i CVHS - Kent CVH31/33/35, Piper 270/285 etc. and as such don't deliver the good in an XR2i, let alone a FRST (where cam profiles are very important). Ahmed reckons that the std cam is superb, so change it at your peril!! There are two exceptions....Piper 285T2, which isn't bad (but is more suited to 1900s), and Ahmed's own hybrid cam. I've just had the latter fitted, and the difference is amazing. Loads more top end power, v.v.smooth, increased top end rev range. It was the result of some serious development and it shows. That's all folks......for now! James [Edited by JJ (18-08-2000 at 01:02 PM).]

by **Andy** on Fri Aug 18, 2000 7:55 am

Paul R, this is true mate, but as said, Ahmed and Superchips both used to have a 195 and a 165 chip. The Superchips 195 was really more like a 165, and the 165 was more like a 145 drivability chip. Ahmed binned the 165 and instead, renamed the 195 to 175 so that if anything, he was completely accurate or UNDERstated, but not overstated. The 165 you have got that produces 162 will really have been the 195 chip! Remember, although very little mods, there are subtle differences! Im not just running any old stainless, im running Mongooses EVOLUTION _3"_ bore system with 4" tailpipe, but also _3"_ stainless turbo downpipe which most exhausts dont have (think this is the same exhaust as on James Merritts of <A HREF="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk" TARGET=_blank>http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk</A> fame! Also, Ive had the K&N57i pro fitted by K&N themselves, and left with them for half a day to tune on a £20,000+ dyno, not just left for an hour on a rolling road! My car is also ALWAYS full of SUPER unleaded petrol which burns cooler in the piston and better and more reliably than normal unleaded, and also, on the dyno test, i was running 16.5psi boost! As for the chip, it came with -31 actuator, Escort Cosworth platinum plugs and the chip itself custom programmed by Ahmed, this alone cost me £600 from Castle, and that was with labour knocked off!!!!!!!! The equivalent Superchip was £350, so you can see for the extra money involved, Ahmeds chips have got to be far superior which they are!!!!!! forget all this cams, gas flowed headwork and stuff and think in PC terms!!!!!! If you change your graphics card for a voodoo 3 card, still no use if you are still running a P200!!!!! the heart of all computers/systems is the central processor/chip, get this sorted and you are on a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Andy** on Fri Aug 18, 2000 7:59 am

If you wanted to get the same, as far as i can tell, you would need: Ahmed 175chip, actuator, plugs > £600+ Mongoose 3"dp, 3"sys, 4"tp > £300 K&N57i kit > £60 fit and tune by K&N > N/A. Provide them with cars for R&D and they sort you out. fuel pressure turned up 14.5-16.5psi boost (potential detonation risk) SUPER unleaded petrol > 90p litre Escort Cosworth plug leads > £40

by **Mike Gurney** on Fri Aug 18, 2000 12:38 pm

I see quite a few of you are from Hertfordshire - I used to live in Stevenage, and now live in Knebworth. Burton's sell the Bayjoo chips. As do SCS I've heard Ahmed has produced a new chip that uses the original injectors with a different pump, and goes like a rocket. cheeRS Mike.

by **STU** on Sun Aug 20, 2000 11:45 am

HI I HAVE GOT THE FIRST 240 BHP A.BAYJOO DIDFOR CASTLE AND THAT WAS 2 YEARS AGO.THE CAR GOES LIKE HELL AND COMES IN AGAIN AT 4500RPM YOU CAN NOT BEAT A BAJOO CHIP COS HE CUSTOM MAPS THE CAR FOR THE 240 BHP CONV. TO PULL AWAY FROM ME YOU NEED ABOUT 370 TO 400BHP. I HAVE HAD THE CAR OF THE CLOCK AND STILL PULLING STRONG TILL I s*** OUT.SO GET A BAYJOO CHIP THAY ARE THE BEST. STU

by **Paul R** on Mon Aug 21, 2000 9:46 am

JJ so thats why you were trying to sell that 195 chip and injectors to me you sneaky git! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif"> As far as the cams go I thought the Kent 35K was very good my mate has the same set up as me (S/S, K&N, 165 superchip) and he rolled 185bhp which is not bad from 12-13psi! I've just had one fitted and car the pulls so much better and runs a lot smoother and seems to carry on after you let go of the thottle instead of dieing. I haven't had it set up yet and i'm only running 10psi so I guess its another trip to Power+. I'm after the 200bhp mark and if I used the Ahmed Bayjoo chip/mapping what other mods would I have to do? (no T3 suggestions I've only just changed my Turbo) Do any of you have 1/4 times to go with your bhp figures? Paul R

by **Andy** on Wed Aug 23, 2000 9:24 am

Paul R, JJ is right in what he says and the price he quoted is from Ahmed himself who sells to the public the same price as he sells to traders, thats why it cost me £600 (with discount) from Castle Performance, and the equivalent Superchips I could have had was for £350!!!!!!! I spoke to Mark at Castle P last night who said he not heard the rumour bout Ahmeds chips stopping, not had any problems with any of them, and only yesterday fitted one to an original superchip owner who couldnt believe the difference in power!!!!!!!!!! think about fitting a P120 chip in ya motherboard where the P33 used to be and you will get the picture! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif">

by **Andy** on Wed Aug 23, 2000 9:28 am

Stu, your missus is Alison right?! if im right, she nearly came down to Castle with the car to take me for a test run in it as I was gonna have the conversion done myself but didnt have the cash at the time. Can remember them telling me about another one they did though, where Mark and Steve went out in the 'still-running-in' fezza running 12psi at the time, and gently raced it against Barons Escort RST running 22psi, and he couldnt keep up with them!!!!!!!!!!!! so I can only imagine what it would be like once it was whacked up to 22psi+ itself and pistons bedded in!!!!!!!!!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif"> AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently s***s on 330bhp Cossies and keeps up with if not in front of 350bhp Cossies!!!!!!!!! and with a set of 17's on.......... .......oh dear!!!!!!!!! think you would need wings after that!!!!!!!!!! LOL <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/cool.gif">

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Thu Aug 24, 2000 6:46 am

ANDY, Tell me to piss off,if u think i'm being nosey, but could u tell me what the P120chip is all about????? cheers!! JAY <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/confused.gif">

by **Andy** on Fri Aug 25, 2000 9:19 am

piss off??? nosey??? no reason to think that mate! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif"> I was relating the difference in computer terms mate, where simply sticking a P120 chip into your computer motherboard in the original place of a P33 (for example) would dramitically make the computer run faster and more efficient and all down to a simple chip change. Trying to say that using an Ahmed Bayjoo chip in the fiesta is _far_ superior than using a Superchips chip and _DOES_ give over the quoted bhp where the Superchips doesnt! <IMG SRC="http://www.rs-turbo.co.uk/ubb/smilies/smile.gif">

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Sat Aug 26, 2000 4:52 am

ANDY, u seem to know quite a lot about tuning,i've been chatting to the garage that does my car about weber marelli engine management(this is the bloke that set& mapped oz(turbotouch)s2)he said that it would be a good next step!!but jj in a earlier(YES!!!!!a***nal just scored their 5 goal,hav that,sorry!)quote said that a pectel system would be better,but the garage said that the pectel was a small part of the whole cossie system! have u got any ideas! CHEERS! jay

by **JASON LORENZO FRANCO** on Sat Aug 26, 2000 4:54 am

paul r i didn't realise it was that low,it was like it when i bought it,the rims are league 065's(15in)i only went into xtreme for 2 new front tyres(took me dad with me,and he just kept on going on about new alloys)i hadn't seen many around,but while they were being fitted,some bird pulled in with them on(just my luck)i should be around & about you're way sunday(hopefully!!!!!!!!!),keep a eye out,or maybe we can have a chat(i'll have to bring the missus though!a bit like the amex card,don't leave home without it!!!!) don't suppose u know how to tell if i'm running on the ofab management!! see ya jason ps how did it go at santa pod? [Edited by JASON LORENZO FRANCO (26-08-2000 at 04:54 PM).]

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