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[Fezzy Turbo]

A lot of scientists are now getting very embaressed since those hackers got emails from a research unit..........

http://www.woai.com/content/blogs/headl ... spx?rss=68

http://mediamatters.org/research/200907010013

But i guess our governments will dismiss it and still make us pay more and more tax on fuel and gas

[dontpannic]

I've known it for a long long time now. Something wasn't adding up. Much like the warm-period:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

I'm sure that the global temperatures rising back then was down to CO2 emissions wasn't it....

[Dave G fsi]

Have always thought it was down to a global fluctuation in temperature as we have had many times in the past between ice ages. And we are due for a warmer period as records show we are/have been in a cooler spell at the moment.

[Ollie]

But i guess our governments will dismiss it

Global warming has never been the only issue. We still have to find alternative fuel sources because the oil fields aren't going to last forever.

Why do you think the oil companies are getting involved in developing biofuels? It's certainly not going to be because they care about the environment, it's because they know their supplies have a finite life and they need a way to stay in business.

However whilst bio fuels would be fine for powering vehicles, the quantities needed to generate electricity would be difficult to sustain (since we're talking about stuff that has to be grown, not mined in large quantities), so they also have to find new and more efficient ways to do that. Whilst nuclear is clearly the best option in terms of efficiency there's the whole bad image of leaking, explosions, people dying and of course, how to dispose of the waste, hence their growing involvement in "green" energy schemes.

Anyone who thinks this is all entirely down to trying to save the world is immensely gullible.

[Fezzy Turbo]

Peep Show,
Totally understand what your saying, as i work in the oil industry But my point is that scientists have been lying to us and keep on lying to us which then inturn makes governments bring out new rules/laws which effect every single person on this planet. What we have been going through is the NATURAL cycle of this planet, which has been going on for hundreds of millions of years .... well before humans were on here! But yet again people are making lots of money out of this and yet again governments are being suckered into following the trends to win votes.
Im not denying that there are environmental disasters just waiting to happen. You mentioned bio-fuels, well did you know that is what is now killing the rain forests ? Farmers are not buring down the forests for meat production, its for growing soya!! Yes you vegetarians/green bio-fuel nuts are now killing the rain forest. The problem is still there, just a different cause.
What the environmental movement has done is force industries to think greener, which is great. Factories, power stations and cars are polluting less which is what we all need. But what annoys me is, its always us that seems to get the taxes, restraints and pushed to change. If any of you have been to South America, Africa or any other "developing area" there is zero envrionmental rules there! Its trips to these areas where you really see where changes are needed. China and India have populations over 1 billion, you just imagine how much CO2 and other gases are being chucked out there every year! Its make the UK's contribution VERY VERY small, but yet we are taxed and taxed.
Im not saying to stop these changes, but we have to draw the line somewhere, or we will all be paying 2000 quid road tax and 50 quid a litre of petrol.

[Ollie]

But my point is that scientists have been lying to us and keep on lying to us which then inturn makes governments bring out new rules/laws which effect every single person on this planet.

A lot of scientists have been saying for a long time that there's no conclusive proof to back up global warming. A growing number have also been saying that it appears to be the natural cycle of the planet, hence the heat waves and ice ages. They don't get the same publicity though because it doesn't fit with what the various governments are telling people.

2001 - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 071248.htm

The researcher suggests that atmospheric carbon dioxide -- often thought of as a key "greenhouse gas" -- is not the cause of global warming. The opposite is most likely to be true, according to Robert Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conservation in Ohio State's Department of Mechanical Engineering. It is the rising global temperatures that are naturally increasing the levels of carbon dioxide, not the other way around, he says.

2007 - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... rming.html

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

• Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.

China and India have populations over 1 billion, you just imagine how much CO2 and other gases are being chucked out there every year!

http://www.breathingearth.net/

[Kittie]

I think the main problem is population growth tbh, it's completely unsustainable and something will have to give. There won't be enough food and other resources for everyone. I do always wonder why when you see drought and starvation ravaged places on TV the people always have loads of kids. No food but can still find time to knock a few more babies out, wtf?

http://www.optimumpopulation.org/index.html

Stop at two!

[andymac]

Well it's basic survival tactics; the more you shell out the greater chance of having a succesor is. Thing is, when modern medicine etc intervene the likelihood of survival is dramatically increased. That doesn't change the state of mind though, hence overpopulation. It's all well and good having websites like that for the western world but it's fundamentally flawed in that ...

1. It's targeted at sections of the worlds population who are already slowing in terms of speed of reproduction.

2. There's the outdated concept of the couple who stay together and have two kids between them - end of. Most long term couples will try for at least one kid together, if they have had a couple of long term relationships already it's likely they will already have one or perhaps two children. I don't think its right to demonise a loving couple simply because they want to have a child together.

3. The section of the UK population that this needs to target (the "underclass", which is to say, people who're so morally reprehensible that rather than make their own way they'll shell out a kiddy or three then demand that social support system look after them) are not going to give a flying f**k about anything that doesn't directly affect them and their benefits right now.

I don't know what the answers are, the idea of only having two kids is great, but we're not the ones populating the planet like mad.

Now, it's very late and I'm very, very tired so I'm going to bed. Something I should have done hours ago.

Greg : Give it ten years mate, it'll be well on the way to a fiver a litre and you know it. I'm dreading the US throwing their toys out in the middle east tbh. Sooner or later the OPEC nations and the US are going to go toe-to-toe in order to decide who controls the worlds oil supplies and it's not going to be pretty for anyone - it'll be a re-run of yom-kippur all over again.