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[Andy Si]

Im thinking of taking up BT's broadband offer and was wondering whether you can still recieve phonecalls while surfing or will i need to get an extra channe put in ?

[Shannon]

I'm on freeserve broadband and your phone line is still free for calls.

[Andy Si]

Cool - its looking good then....

Any BT users - just to be doubely sure...

[chumkila]

yep no extra channels needed.

[Andy Si]

Sweet as - i will shortly have net access @ home

*starts day dreaming about free pawn......*

[1600power]

nooooo screw BT get cable, mmmmm much more reliable than that BT crap your going to get

[Andy Si]

BT are doing an £80 all in offer if you buy b4 the end of August

[InS@nE]

i got broadband it rocks, ie download photoshop 7 last night while i went for a crap

[Andy Si]

Nice, nice.

Im defo going for it

[AndyBlackFRST]

i got broadband it rocks, ie download photoshop 7 last night while i went for a crap

Download took more than 30 minutes then Mark llama

[Shannon]

Any of you broadband users download movies?

[HappyHippy]

i have ntl. movies take about an hour and a half ish.. thats with the 2 parts, 1of2 and 2of2 being dowloaded at the same time

[FezzR]

i must say that NTL is one of the worst companies ive come across and their broadband (which a friend has is the slowist broadband ive come accross IMO

[Shannon]

where are you downloading them from and what speed's are you gettin spencer t ???

[mousematt]

NTL Broadband is better in my experience (I've got it, a 512K conection)..

I've downloaded Movie's off Kazza at around 60Kb/s which ain't bad.
Mp3's have been faster at up to 80Kb+/s, really depends on where you download it from.

[DuncanFRST]

The physical limit for download on cable and ADSL (both @ 512kbit/sec) is 60kbyte/sec. You cannot go any faster!

Also ADSL is 30kbyte/sec upload whereas cable is only 15kbyte/sec.

So get DSL.

[HappyHippy]

I've only downloaded films on Kazaa, and that varies to each download.

i cant check at the minute either as i'm on this through AOL dial up as my NTL broadband has buggered up!! when i phoned them they said that they had done a repair earlier on today and that they had fooked it right up .

so if your in Hertfordshire or Berkshire (i think) its fooked

[HappyHippy]

Oooooo, by the way i have the 512 connection aswell!

[mousematt]

The physical limit for download on cable and ADSL (both @ 512kbit/sec) is 60kbyte/sec. You cannot go any faster!

I think you'll find you can... I have a few friends who have had the same speeds.


Besides the cable connection is available up to 1M (and ntl being useless as they are ain't great at limiting you connection speed exactly).

ADSL is only available up to 500K (not 512K) as a home connection (and is more expensive).

[FezzR]

im affraid to say IT IS 512k and not 500k because half of 1meg is 512k and Duncan is right about the speeds not sure about exact speed but roughly what he say is right!

[DuncanFRST]

im affraid to say IT IS 512k and not 500k because half of 1meg is 512k and Duncan is right about the speeds not sure about exact speed but roughly what he say is right!

Cheers.

This is how you work it out.

For starters, you can get ADSL with up to 2Mbit/sec downstream and cable with up to 1Mbit/sec downstream.

More importantly, the upstream on ADSL is 256kbit/sec and the upstream on cable is 128kbit/sec. These figures CANNOT be changed by going for a more expensive package.

You must not get confused between the meaning of kbits/sec and kbytes/sec, they're very different!

Anyway, to work out the maxium transfer speed in kbytes/sec (which is the figure you'll usually see printed when you download data) you need to know how many bits there are per byte. This "magic" figure is 8.

All you then need to do is divide the above figures by 8 to find out the max transfer rate in kbytes/sec.

ADSL downstream @ 512kbit/sec = 64kbytes/sec
ADSL upstream @ 256kbit/sec = 32kbytes/sec
Cable downstream @ 512kbit/sec = 64kbytes/sec
Cable upstream @ 128kbit/sec = 16kbytes/sec

Please not the above figures are maxium theoretical speeds which don't take into account either error correction (parity bits etc) or internet slowdowns. Because of this, the actual experienced data transfer rate is likely to be a few kbyte/sec slower.

Hope this clears things up.

Andy Si if you're thinking of getting ADSL I suggest you hop on over to http://www.adslguide.org.uk and use their provider comparison table to work out the correct ISP for you before you part with your money. You may notice that BTOpenworld is nowhere near the top!

[Shannon]

Dont go with freeserve either mate. It took them over a month to send me my modem when the said it would be there in 10 days

[Andy Si]

im affraid to say IT IS 512k and not 500k because half of 1meg is 512k and Duncan is right about the speeds not sure about exact speed but roughly what he say is right!

Cheers.

This is how you work it out.

For starters, you can get ADSL with up to 2Mbit/sec downstream and cable with up to 1Mbit/sec downstream.

More importantly, the upstream on ADSL is 256kbit/sec and the upstream on cable is 128kbit/sec. These figures CANNOT be changed by going for a more expensive package.

You must not get confused between the meaning of kbits/sec and kbytes/sec, they're very different!

Anyway, to work out the maxium transfer speed in kbytes/sec (which is the figure you'll usually see printed when you download data) you need to know how many bits there are per byte. This "magic" figure is 8.

All you then need to do is divide the above figures by 8 to find out the max transfer rate in kbytes/sec.

ADSL downstream @ 512kbit/sec = 64kbytes/sec
ADSL upstream @ 256kbit/sec = 32kbytes/sec
Cable downstream @ 512kbit/sec = 64kbytes/sec
Cable upstream @ 128kbit/sec = 16kbytes/sec

Please not the above figures are maxium theoretical speeds which don't take into account either error correction (parity bits etc) or internet slowdowns. Because of this, the actual experienced data transfer rate is likely to be a few kbyte/sec slower.

Hope this clears things up.

Andy Si if you're thinking of getting ADSL I suggest you hop on over to http://www.adslguide.org.uk and use their provider comparison table to work out the correct ISP for you before you part with your money. You may notice that BTOpenworld is nowhere near the top!

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh what have i started, im completly lost now

[mousematt]

im affraid to say IT IS 512k and not 500k because half of 1meg is 512k and Duncan is right about the speeds not sure about exact speed but roughly what he say is right!

I'm not talking about what half a meg is I'm talking about the maximun quoted speed on BT's website.

Anyway I can't be arsed arguing, I'm sure he can make his own mind up.

I'll just go mosey round the net on this nice Duel T1 connection

[chumkila]

well well wots happening here then?!

[Andy Si]

*whimpers* there confusing me Chum with all the techy nonsense - i just cant cope

[Muzza]

wish i had the choice of broadband because "BT have no plans to impliment broadband in my area" according to that website of duncans they start considering it when about 600 - 750 pople register thier interest. so far the counter reads 2 (an that includes me)

[chumkila]

@Andy!

Muzza i deal with ADSL too and well BT have ppl by the balls!!

[FezzR]

yea well bt can say [ERRR] they like as chum say they got ppl by the balls is a complete pile of bowlarks! goverment give bt money bt give goverment money, we give bt money all telephone company give bt money yet bt still claim there running at loss.
right who wants to go live with the afgans then?

[andymac]

LMFAO @ this thread.

The various forms of ADSL are available at up to 8mbit up and downstream. Dont matter what ure provider says, thats the limit.

BT simply dont have the capacity for braodband on many of their exchanges, putting the capacipty in costs money and they wont spend it unless enough people sya they want it.

Cable providers can offer ADSL thru BT lines or more commonly use their own technologies on their own lines to provide connectivity. The cable provider i use at work has us on a mux which feeds x.21 to a cisco router. The incoming connection is fibre.

Either way the max data rate is NOT as easy to figure out as you think. 512k = 512kbit = 64kbyte/sec ? Maybe.

Depends on the connection protocols employed. IP itself has to use a packet header which eats a significant percentage of this bandwidth away.

Then you may have link control protocols and error correction protocols embedded in the telco's raw stream to your NTU.

Now then, before we get all carried away saying i'm talking nutsack, were you talking about having a 512k raw stream to your NTU in your house or 512k to your pc on the consumer side of the NTU ? I bet you don't know and neither do I. Also, if you get data transfer rates that seem a bit too high theres the possibility your telco has used compression to improve throughput. It's a common enough thing.

Point is, 512k aint necessarly 512k and i do believe that BT do indeed advertise throughput as being 500kbit downstream on the home package.

What half a meg has to do with any of this i really dont know. Data transfer rates are set by the bus clock and could be owt at all. Ya shouldn't make assumptions about these things.

[Choosey]

ummm......yeah......what andy said!

[FezzR]

i would just like to say that is complete nutsacks! but i cant because its not!:D

i whern i said half meg i had only just got out of bed so just give me a slap

i would have to say that probably all of the quoted figures hate come from places like bt`s website! in which case they will be the best possible rates that could be achived in theory! these figures a almost never going to be achived! and as assessing what speeds ur actually getting im sure there is a program out there that can work these out for u not that i know of it! and as for speeds quoted in programs like kazza there unlikely to be a true reflection!

[elm_us]

bollox to it all get a 200GB downstreem least line

[Andy Si]

Well i've gone an ordered BT so i'll be needing your MSN's etc...... If ya wanna chat that is

[chumkila]

u can have mine if u wana to talk ME that is!