What engine has 361lb Torque and 355bhp??? - With Pic

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Postby CarismaDave on Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:02 pm

Cheers for all the commenst guys :D

I've saved and waited for two and a half years so I knew it would be good when it came around...see you at FordSport National Day!!!

Will be doing passenger runs for £2 per go....to pay for the petrol of course!!!

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Postby sunnyFRST on Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:10 pm

Hello Mr Carisma,

just been able to reply to this now as I have not long got in from Essex. Spent the whole day with Ahmed sorting out new final touches with my new conversion. Sounds promising so far..pitty about the slight hickup....get Ian to sort it asap. Good luck!!!! :)

Oh and welcome aboard! :D

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Postby KEVFRST on Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:35 pm

LOve it, thats seriously powerful, how r u gonan put it all down mate?
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Postby CarismaDave on Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:11 am

Sunny, glad to hear it's going ok...how's the gearbox fitting going? Ian's sorting the problem on Monday and hopefully I'll be able to get back to Peterborough to see the high boost runs :Q

Kev, well it'll never be easy but hopefully the new '178' box from Bernie, Quaife diff, adjustable lower arms and even better suspension will help me out :D Time will tell :D
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Postby chumkila on Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:41 pm

May the boost be with you!
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Postby AdrianFRST on Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:00 pm

HELL YES! :D :D

Power to match the looks ;)

TOTB next year should be very interesting indeed, quite an army we are assembling.

When you're up and running let me know and we'll have to meet up. Time for a re-feature methinks!
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Postby CarismaDave on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:24 pm

Yes m8, a re-feature would be good in about a month :D

Can definitely meet up once it' been fitted and live-mapped :D

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Postby Gaz7 on Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:29 pm

TomRS1800 :
I was also thinking that I hate the jap 'nothing until 8k revs, then a grand and a half of power' engines, i like torque and the ability to pull low down.

This sounds like a cracking engine

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Gaz mate 1 garnd Id have no power, the Jap crap I have powers from 3500 rpm right the way through to the red line which is at 6500 rpm! And its still running 14psi all the way through on the standard T28!

Thanks Tom¬


I wasn't refering to all jap engines, obviously there are plenty of conventional units. Rawli had it spot on - i don't like the vtec style of engine. A good example is my mates mum's S2000 - i don't like that engine at all. Civic Type R is another example.

Carisma Dave's engine on the other hand - that sounds more like it ;)

Gareth :)
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Postby Jon ERST S2 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:07 pm

Got a graph? What power did it make? You sure it's not wheelspin on the rollers or was it on a dyno?

Interested how the curves go. When does it make fully boost on the T34?

Interesting for comparison mine makes 120lb/ft at 2990rpm.

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Postby CarismaDave on Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:29 pm

Jon,

No, no wheel spin m8...as yuo can see it's on an engine dyno :D

Haven't got a graph at the moment (just footage on video cam) as unfortunately we weren't able to finish the dyno on Thursday. All proven though with Ahmed and Harvey as witnesses! Will put full info up when it's finished :D

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Postby FezzR on Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:02 pm

get the footage uploaded then :P
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Postby Jon ERST S2 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:06 pm

great stuff. Just wondered how you get such high figures so low down. My T34 doesn't spin up until after that revs.

Fair play anyway!
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Postby Excursion on Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:30 pm

Jon - Zetecs make great power low down, quite unsual for a 16v motor :) It's down to the ports and head design *I think*
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Postby Jon ERST S2 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:05 pm

yes but my point is the turbo must be making some decent boost to have that much torque that low down. how can a turbo of t34 size be on boost full boost by that revs?

It's not I don't believe I just am interested how.
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Postby Excursion on Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:23 pm

Cam selection plays a big part but the Zetec motor can work a turbo hard from low down, high exhaust gas velocities :)
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Postby Jon ERST S2 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:03 pm

fair enough.

but it's still a 2l. Surely no cam/head design can spin up a T34 to full boost by 2900rpm.

I mean don't get my wrong, it must be able to cos he has dyno proof, I'm just very suprised that's all.

I mean mine is a 2L with a T34 but not the 16v head. Surely the head/cam don't make 190lb/ft difference at the same 2900revs? Thats 160% more torque!!
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Postby FezzR on Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:34 pm

Jon ERST S2 :fair enough.

but it's still a 2l. Surely no cam/head design can spin up a T34 to full boost by 2900rpm.

I mean don't get my wrong, it must be able to cos he has dyno proof, I'm just very suprised that's all.

I mean mine is a 2L with a T34 but not the 16v head. Surely the head/cam don't make 190lb/ft difference at the same 2900revs? Thats 160% more torque!!


ud be supprised what u can achive with a few choise selections

nothing against ppl that do but i see no point using ZVH other than to cut cost
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Postby CarismaDave on Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:43 pm

Jon,

It's all in the cams and air flow...proper matched components means proper power :D Couldn't give you any more than that as Mr. Howell wont obviously divulge his secrets as to what EXACTLY has been done!

Just looked at the vid again and the 310 is 307lb to be exact and it's at 24psi. Will have to wait to see what it's like at 28psi!

Can't upload the footage at the mo as it's not my camcorder and my bro didn't give me the software to download it :rolleyes: Anyways I'll wait til it's finished before I divulge all :D

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Postby CarismaDave on Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:53 pm

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Cam selection plays a big part but the Zetec motor can work a turbo hard from low down, high exhaust gas velocities


You should have seen the exhaust manifold and turbo glowing cherry red...amazing!

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Postby GavStyli on Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:59 pm

excellent output Dave, thats what you get when you get the best involved in building and mapping your engine :)
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Postby Excursion on Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:24 pm

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Cam selection plays a big part but the Zetec motor can work a turbo hard from low down, high exhaust gas velocities


You should have seen the exhaust manifold and turbo glowing cherry red...amazing!

Dave :D


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Postby scarlet_pimp_mobile on Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:56 am

CarismaDave :Cheers for all the commenst guys :D

I've saved and waited for two and a half years so I knew it would be good when it came around...see you at FordSport National Day!!!

Will be doing passenger runs for £2 per go....to pay for the petrol of course!!!

Dave :D



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Postby Jon ERST S2 on Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:34 am

great stuff dave.

I'm really interested in things like this. I'm just shocked a T34 can be at 24psi by 2900rpm on any 2L car! Learn something new everyday.

Can't wait to see it in action. should be a monster!!

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Postby Lee R on Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:40 pm

a mate of mines just done the same torque on that very same dyno.

G Sport built, 8 injectors, 17psi on a hybrid T3 :D

cant wait for a go i it (will be in a mk6 Escort)
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Postby beanyfrst on Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:35 pm

thats an awsome figure mate nice one
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Postby lazy_arse_pie on Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:38 pm

massive that


i was impressed with me cousins corsa doin 233lb @ 3990 :lol:
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Postby Brad on Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:22 pm

Unreal mate...

Sunny vs. Charisma Dave on an airstrip...

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Postby andyhardy on Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:17 pm

Quality stuff - thought this was worth BTTTing as I see that Dave has a higher bhp and torque figure in his sig now ;)

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Postby ianFRST on Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:23 pm

is it even in the car yet? :lol:
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Postby andyhardy on Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:26 pm

I was pretty sure it was put in - just haven't heard much about it since then! :D
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Postby Ian.G on Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:46 pm

Everyone always seems to come out with the "oh yeah but Jap cars don't have any torque" argument, but in reality the type R has as much torque as the ST170 and ST150, granted it doesn't deliver it until higher in the rev range, but to compensate its geared in a way which means you drive at much higher RPM's normally.

Never hear anyone moaning about the ST150's or ST170's having no torque....not that i'm biased or owt :wink:
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Postby andyhardy on Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:55 pm

Eh? Think you posted on the wrong thread, wasn't there a whole other one devoted to arguing about Honda engines? :lol:
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Postby Max M4X WW on Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:00 pm

Nope, This one.

So what toruque at what rpm do the three cars abobe have? Out of interest.
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Postby andyhardy on Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:04 pm

Seriously - I brought this post up to find out what progress Dave had with his car and engine, not to continue a pointless argument about Jap/Ford engines.

I couldn't really give a toss - if you read the dates on this post you'll see you're replying to posts made ages ago! :lol:

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Postby heeman10 on Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:05 pm

Yeah the engine's been in the car and he's driven it, there were one or two niggles that needed sorting, hot starting being one of them, he had a bad back for a while, not sure if he got back to sorting the car out again?
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