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[Excursion]

These discs look pretty big too I reckon at least 280mm (glad i fitted bias pedal box now-gonna need it!) which makes a change from the little rear disc conversions I've done before...

Off to the workshop now to get them fitted, will post some pics of my handywork later on this aft/eve....

The only downside to this is i'm gonna need some even bigger front brakes now!

Do you have any pics of the rim module?

[AdamB]

My new brakes i got from Ebay last night, I won them ant 10pm and drove 40 miles straight away to collect them, now that's dedication!

Bought them for £90 for the whole lot too! Think they weren't listed in the correct categories or something - they only came up when you typed in "focus hubs" for some reason, not "focus rs rear brakes". still, I aint comlaining and he was a top bloke too, had a lovely Focus RS on his drive too (not the one i got the brakes off :lol)

These discs look pretty big too I reckon at least 280mm (glad i fitted bias pedal box now-gonna need it!) which makes a change from the little rear disc conversions I've done before...

Off to the workshop now to get them fitted, will post some pics of my handywork later on this aft/eve....

The only downside to this is i'm gonna need some even bigger front brakes now!

bastid, i was watching these

anyways,k in terms of the bias pedal box, is this a relatively simple thing to fit if the car already has a hydraulic clutch?

i'm interested in getting one for when i mount the duratec in my mk4, but cant find much info about them.

[jimmyesh]

My new brakes i got from Ebay last night, I won them ant 10pm and drove 40 miles straight away to collect them, now that's dedication!

Bought them for £90 for the whole lot too! Think they weren't listed in the correct categories or something - they only came up when you typed in "focus hubs" for some reason, not "focus rs rear brakes". still, I aint comlaining and he was a top bloke too, had a lovely Focus RS on his drive too (not the one i got the brakes off :lol)

These discs look pretty big too I reckon at least 280mm (glad i fitted bias pedal box now-gonna need it!) which makes a change from the little rear disc conversions I've done before...

Off to the workshop now to get them fitted, will post some pics of my handywork later on this aft/eve....

The only downside to this is i'm gonna need some even bigger front brakes now!

bastid, i was watching these

anyways,k in terms of the bias pedal box, is this a relatively simple thing to fit if the car already has a hydraulic clutch?

i'm interested in getting one for when i mount the duratec in my mk4, but cant find much info about them.

Yeah bias pedal boxes easy to fit, no real issue whether you have hyd or cable clutch either, ask rally design about it that's where i got mine from. mine is the universal model so it's fitted where the original m/cylinder went...
Had to use 2 AP remote servos though (£££:cry: !) (one for each line) Otherwise i wouldn't have wanted to drive the thing on our immigrant-infested unsafe roads!!

[jimmyesh]

Photos of how i spent my day today... Isn't a month's paid leave from the army great??!

Here's how i converted the mk3 rear beam to accept the focus rs rear hubs, i know you can just swap the beam for the mk5 one but since when have i ever done things the easy way?!













Think i need bigger front brakes now though...

[jayrs]

focking hell mate, ive never seen it done like that before

[jimmyesh]

Ay i don't mess about -nice bit of "craftsmanship" eh!

[jayrs]

er yeah

how did ya make sure it went on at the right angle etc?

[Excursion]

Whoah, they looked like they were angle ground off so how on earth did you ensure the plates maintained the correct rear suspension geometry??

[jimmyesh]

I know it looks dramatic! Answer is: Lots of very careful measuring, use of special tools/instruments, and some very nice mig welding, + lots of patience- calm down fellas it aint a bodge!

The mild steel used for the hubs to mount to is 13mm thick and is seam welded to the rear beam from the front AND rear face, so i'm 100% sure that it's stronger than standard to be honest. A lot of thought, preperation and measuring went into this particular job, probably why it took me all day!

I have seen focus hubs bolted up to fiesta mk3 beams with the original holes elongated to a very big and irregular shape!! Now THAT is dangerous!

[Excursion]

Fair one mate, I'd still get a geometry check done

[MAD_Adamski]

the Z-s beam is also used as it handles better than the mk3 item does matey as well aas if you get one you know the geometry is perfect and since they only cost about £60 i think you should invest in a z-s one tbh

still love the car tho

[jayrs]

fair play mate, i wasnt dissing the work, was just wondring how you went about it, being a engineer i thought of ways it could be done so was just wondering fella.
from the sounds of it, it aint going anywhere anyhow, sounds way over the top but at end of day, better that way than not eh

ive never had a problem with my rear beam, it grips focking well at back and it only stepped out once at 30mph on a icey road so i dont belive the ZS beam is that much better but thats just my opinion and im sure many will disagree with me but who cares

as for the opening out of holes on a normal beam, depening how its done and the size of holes etc it can be fine,if done right

but it dont matter what we think bud, it your car, and hat off to ya for wanting to do it right, even if some of use would of done something different, wouldnt do for us all to be the same eh

[jimmyesh]

Thanks for the comments again guys much appreciated to hear all your opinons/share ideas etc .

I think buying and fitting A ZS rear beam is a bit of a "backward step" for me now after all the work i did yesterday and as I said before, i was meticulous in my meauring, checking of angles etc, we have some quite trick tools/instruments in the workshop and also loads of welding gear+loads of metal so out of principal I wasn't gonna pay someone my hard-earnt for a over-priced piece of a mk5 fez

I think sometimes it's good to do things your own way if you're sure of your abilities and not follow the crowd.

Granted I know the ZS route would've been simpler and for people who haven't got the facilities to fabricate stuff it's definitely the way to go and knowing how well ZS handle, I'm sure it's a top bit of kit. My fez already handles lovely on the avo coilovers though so I'm gonna keep it how it is (for now! )

Thanks once again for the comments

[jayrs]

my rs is on coilovers too, and i had/have continentals on the back, which surprises me it sticks so well as they were dog $hit when i had them on front .
its what works for you mate, ive made my own bits and bobs before and you make sure you do it right, cos if ya like me your be a fussy c*nt and if you aint happy when most would be, your do it again
my drilled disc on the back of my rs i done my self, wasnt about to pay out for a set so got standard set and drilled them up using a template i made
might be something worth thinking about as you got drilled disc at front of yours, this is if you want drilled disc on yours at back

[MAD_Adamski]

mine are the same jay

[jayrs]

drilled disc? home drilled?
well i say home drilled, i used a piller drill at the workshop

[chris-fiesta]

wish i had the skill and the mechinary to do this sort of thing

[jimmyesh]

Nice, loving those home drilled rear discs mate You done well doing them yourself-looks like a top job and your money's better off in your own pocket anyway!

Dunno 'bout drilling my rear discs yet though as i was thinking of going to 300mm front plain discs to be honest as the car really isn't used for balls-out stuff all the time so i probably wouldn't get to use the alledged advantages of cross drilling anyway.

[chumkila]

[Rab C Nesbitt voicemode ON] good work jimmy!!! [/Rab C Nesbitt voicemode OFF]

[jayrs]

dunno if i would do it again tbh, it dont make any difference i done it for looks as the cossie disc up front are drilled and grooved.
but yeah, wouldnt wanna pay out for solid disc that are drilled, prob be expensive

[spooj]

thats one amazing fez

[jimmyesh]

Cheers m8!

[mike_wall15]

I love seeing rear disks on a Fiesta, a car doesn't look right with drums

You say they are Focus RS ones, but aren't they the same as normal foci rears?
They are 260mm aren't they?

[jayrs]

focus RS rear hubs are shorter than standard focus rear hubs

[jimmyesh]

I love seeing rear disks on a Fiesta, a car doesn't look right with drums

You say they are Focus RS ones, but aren't they the same as normal foci rears?
They are 260mm aren't they?

No, normal focus ones are 253mm, mine are 280mm and are DEFINITELY focus RS ones (i saw the car they came from). You can see the extra ring of metal between the braking face of the disc and the hub.

Rear calipers are the same on all rear disc models of focus though.

As for focus RS hubs being "shorter" I'm not sure about that as I have some normal focus rear discs and calipers here too and the hubs look the same size to me

One thing to bear in mind though is that your back wheels end up spaced out by about 15mm on each side when you fit focus rear brakes (because of the thickness of the focus hubs) so if like me you already have wide wheels - your car ends up having a fat arse!

[mike_wall15]

No, normal focus ones are 253mm, mine are 280mm and are DEFINITELY focus RS ones (i saw the car they came from). You can see the extra ring of metal between the braking face of the disc and the hub.

Rear calipers are the same on all rear disc models of focus though.

As for focus RS hubs being "shorter" I'm not sure about that as I have some normal focus rear discs and calipers here too and the hubs look the same size to me

One thing to bear in mind though is that your back wheels end up spaced out by about 15mm on each side when you fit focus rear brakes (because of the thickness of the focus hubs) so if like me you already have wide wheels - your car ends up having a fat arse!

Well that's wierd because I thought somebody once said they were all the same
I had some ST170 rears and I'm sure they weren't as small as 253mm. I never did fit them though because of the extra width as you mention.

[jimmyesh]

Yeah the st170 ones are 280mm too and I would hazard a guesss that they are even the same parts (not being a ford part number geek i wouldn't know though! )

The discs I was refering to as being smaller were the ones on the back or the focus 2.0, some 1.8's and some tdci's. And even though they are slightly smaller than the rs/st170 ones they still work wonders and look far better than drums!

I only said the calipers were the same, nothing else. The hubs on the RS/ST rear end are obviously different in that the caliper is mounted further out to accomodate the bigger disc. The depth of the hub (from disc mounting face to hub mounting face) is the same on all disc-braked models though.

Anyone know anyone who wants to buy some "normal" focus rear discs and calipers?! (Got some laying around at work in good condition hubs already taken though...)

[jayrs]

i got a fiesta center rear disc conversion on my rs and the wheels are spaced out about 20 mm each side, that looks like a fat ar$e

took this from a mates rebuild post

on the left is one of the focus hub/stub axles i had originally.. and on the right is the Focus RS hub/stub axle....

this is the difference between them...
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my bad, i got it wrong way round, it now looks like the rs ones are longer

[jimmyesh]

JAYRS: sorry m8 I stand corrected - you were right all along about the FRS stub axle being longer !

I'm gonna get hold of another mk3 rear beam and make it to my own spec with the hub mounting points recessed about 15mm on each side, maybe 20! as I'm not happy with how far out my big fat esc cossie alloys stick out on the FRS axle:cry: Other than that I could just get some skinnier wheels as my fez does tramline a bit on those fat rims! Love the way they look though...

Was contemplating some nice, light 15" again for optimium handling etc but I think that may throw out my plans for 300mm front brakes

Whatever happens I need a bigger spare wheel now

[xr2imetalhead]

fair play mate i just spotted this thread, awsome motor you have built there top marks from me

[jayrs]

if you got the FRS ones, why not change to standard ones yo bring the wheel in a tad? or have ya got the shorter one

im confussed

when i get my lathe (IF, the way things are going) i plan to shave a few mm of things to try and bring it in a bit.
a couple of mm of the stub axle, couple of mm of the mating face of the disc, make up some new caliper brackets.
i reckon i can bring each wheel in about 10+ mm each side, tops there out is 20mm so only halfing it but its got to be better.
i will also be looking into other stub axles/hubs also so who knows

[jimmyesh]

Yeah sounds like a plan mate I have the normal (shorter) focus ones just laying around on my work bench so maybe worth a try...

[ScottP]

i have a zetec s rear beam with some focus 2.0 rear brakes for sale with all the stuff needed to fit it as well,

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/lots-of-parts-zetec-s-rear-beam-rear-discs-big-brakes-etc-vt144211/?highlight=

nice project mate!

[jimmyesh]

Cheers again for all the comments and ideas guys very much appreciated

As i said previously I'm not going the ZS rear beam route myself, mainly because even with that beam my back wheels will still stick out as far as they do with the mk3 beam with the focus rear disc set-up anyway.

I'd much rather just modify a mk3 rear beam myself to recess the focus hubs in 15mm or so each side and I'll be squared away

Plus (no offence intended here anyone!! ) but a normal mk3 rear beam can be had for peanuts and I can make it to my own spec, It seems everyone is 'jumping on the bandwagon' with the ZS one and consequently people seem to ask crazy money for them!

Before i get my head bitten off here though I CAN see why people do prefer the ZS route as it is just a bolt-on swap and there is nothing wrong with that, especially as it's all accurate already.

[jayrs]

Cheers again for all the comments and ideas guys very much appreciated

As i said previously I'm not going the ZS rear beam route myself, mainly because even with that beam my back wheels will still stick out as far as they do with the mk3 beam with the focus rear disc set-up anyway.

I'd much rather just modify a mk3 rear beam myself to recess the focus hubs in 15mm or so each side and I'll be squared away

Plus (no offence intended here anyone!! ) but a normal mk3 rear beam can be had for peanuts and I can make it to my own spec, It seems everyone is 'jumping on the bandwagon' with the ZS one and consequently people seem to ask crazy money for them!

Before i get my head bitten off here though I CAN see why people do prefer the ZS route as it is just a bolt-on swap and there is nothing wrong with that, especially as it's all accurate already.

could ya give me the lenth of the standard focus hubs please mate when ya get a min, fom back to disc mating face if thats cool.

as for ZS beam, its stiffer, and bolts stright on as ya say, thats all, but if you know what ya doing you can stiffen the standard beam up fine.