"K80" ZT - Engine Back In! (23/05)

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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (09/12)

Postby Excursion on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:57 am

I found RS2000 front and rear brakes inadequate for the potential of a 2.0 conversion. I had fore and aft discs blue and pads smoking after a spirited drive; a few stops from 140 and it's game over for them.

Rear discs aren't always necessary just because of a power increase, and I would say it's more important to get the balance right first, but ultimately drums can't dissipate heat quickly enough when repeatedly hauling down from triple figures. If most of your driving is below that then chances are you'll be fine.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (09/12)

Postby fiend on Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:26 am

jonyb4 :haha

so what same 280s for even over 200break?


On my 200bhp FRST I had completely standard brakes all round. Had four pirelli P600 tyres fitted aswell. :lol:

Never had a problem or saw the need to upgrade them.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (09/12)

Postby andymac on Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:35 pm

Excursion :I found RS2000 front and rear brakes inadequate for the potential of a 2.0 conversion. I had fore and aft discs blue and pads smoking after a spirited drive; a few stops from 140 and it's game over for them.


I have a mental image of you blitzing along the A14 with a manic look on your face now... :lol:
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Tweek on Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:23 pm

Right, back on subject, still brake related too. Mondeo master cylinder and servo fitted today. I even managed to get it to sit so the strut brace still fits, Can you guess from the photo how I managed that though :lol:

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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby trecoll on Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:39 pm

You're gonna run without a bonnet, so you can put washers under your strut brace so it clears!

What do I win!?

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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Tweek on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:42 am

You win a bitchslap :lol:
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby jonyb4 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:30 am

Tweek :You win a bitchslap :lol:


:lol:



i find RS200 front brakes and a mk5 escort servo good enough for 2.0 power myself, but for over 200 id start to judge even a 280 set up


but thats me, wayne swears testament to them, maybe after hes had a spirited blast in the ZT he may out grow the brakes

servo will deffinately help!!
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Tweek on Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:50 am

Yawn
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby fiend on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:15 pm

jonyb4 :
Tweek :You win a bitchslap :lol:


:lol:



i find RS200 front brakes and a mk5 escort servo good enough for 2.0 power myself, but for over 200 id start to judge even a 280 set up


but thats me, wayne swears testament to them, maybe after hes had a spirited blast in the ZT he may out grow the brakes

servo will deffinately help!!


Have you even driven a fiesta with a powerful engine and standard brakes? As your advice seems to be based on assumption and not experience.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby andymac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:22 pm

Perhaps a separate discussion in tech / tuning would be more appropriate - it's not like Wayne's really asked our opinions of what's necessary for his setup. :)
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Gus!! on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:59 am

I saw a fez that looked uncannily like the old 5 door near mine today!! It confused me a lot, i hope you like the change to a 3 door though??
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby rsturbonutter on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:28 am

I don't know tweek but have seen him drive round coombe and Silverstone I think he is in a pretty good position to know what brake set up is required after driving a pretty much identical weight car at track pace. If they stop a 2.0 litre fiesta they stop a 2.0 fiesta regardless of horse power surely. And the old tried and tested saying don't fix what ain't broke :Q :Q
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby dontpannic on Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:18 am

I don't know why everyone's talking about brakes. Wayne's going for a fixie - when he wants to slow down he just jams it into reverse.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Tweek on Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:10 pm

Gus, there is another one similar around, I've seen it somewhere on the forums but not for a while. I've no thoughts on the change yet but I'm storing quite a few parts on the back seats and I have to keep folding the seats down to get to them. :lol:

rsturbonutter - Exactly my thoughts. Obviously if and when this car gets out on track it should reach higher speeds on the straights and therefore increasing brake temperatures a bit but with how the setup is behaving, it should cope with that. Combe would be the track where any fade would occur first I rekon. We keep crossing paths, need to say hello next time. :D
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby hb69 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:28 pm

Wayne text me earlier to tell me hes going to be running it without brakes to save weight, good idea :Q
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby - Danny Boy - on Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:49 pm

Less unsprung weight, always a good call!

So whats the procedure for emergency stops? Lean out with a stick and jam it in the wheels?
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:06 pm

:lol: id just dive out
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby dontpannic on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:19 am

- Danny Boy - :Less unsprung weight, always a good call!

So whats the procedure for emergency stops? Lean out with a stick and jam it in the wheels?


No, he's just going to crash into green 'overtaking' signs. :wink:
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby hb69 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:22 am

Wayne will get so excited that he can overtake he will hit the cones
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Michael! on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:27 am

if you get disks you have less chance of doing a phat drift round maccies - trust me on this.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Gus!! on Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:20 am

Yeah the one i saw had white wheels, clear rears, same colour etc. when i got closer it had rs2000 wheels and an rs accessory kit, so couldnt have been yours!! :(
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Progressing (15/12)

Postby Tweek on Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:01 pm

hb69 :Wayne will get so excited that he can overtake he will hit the cones
What better way to end the reign of the 5dr? :lol:

Shame I never found a photo of it actually happening :(
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby Tweek on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:47 pm

A more interesting update... The engine is built :D

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I was doing some more to it today, got as far as the exhaust manifold and hit a setback. The adapter I bought many months ago doesn't seem to line up, every port is off centre by about 5mm :-?

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Quite annoying, had it too long now to send it back!
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby SLEEMAN on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:58 pm

Maybe the adaptor is for a blacktop? But you can always get it milled back
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby Rhinopower on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:10 pm

SLEEMAN :Maybe the adaptor is for a blacktop? But you can always get it milled back


All exhaust ports are the same on zetecs
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby FRSJON on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:21 pm

thats a bugger :oooh:

either mill it,drill and tap the head


or

have this for £100 :D


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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby Rhinopower on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:23 pm

Need to take head back off to drill and tap, that would cost the price of a new headgasket and bolts too, and prone to leaking. That manifold is t2/25 flanged so wouldn't fit the t3, as well as interfering with the metal water rail.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby FRSJON on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:30 pm

there all possible otherwise i wouldnt of suggested them... looks like your milling the adapter plate then :)
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby Rhinopower on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:45 pm

Milling would prob be best, however I reckon you could do it yourself with a holesaw on a pillar drill. Use the cvh gasket to mark the hole and drill through
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby jonyb4 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:21 pm

thats pretty annoying but simple enough to sort, its the exhaust too so i wouldnt worry about the adapter being larger than the ports and causing turbulence or similar :)

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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby mikeymikeyp on Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:48 pm

where did you get the adaptor plate mate , it shouldnt take too long to sort that out with a dremmel
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby Gus!! on Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:47 pm

Probably a s**t weld when it was built which made it rust?? Or something?? :lol:
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby SLEEMAN on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:07 pm

Rhinopower :
SLEEMAN :Maybe the adaptor is for a blacktop? But you can always get it milled back


All exhaust ports are the same on zetecs



Don't mean to be rude but if you have a look on blacktop zetecs they are circular on the exhaust ports silvertop ones are a weird shape.
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby FRSJON on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:18 pm

just a thought id only remove material from the back of the adapter plate as i take it its for a escort rst manifold.. drill them out and the ports might be too wide for it :)
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Re: Project "K80" ZT - Engine Built (29/12)

Postby Tweek on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:25 pm

Cheera for the replies guys.

I just got a message back from the guy I bought it from, he says it was meant to be made like that to get it all to fit and doesnt cause much of a restriction. Advised to chamfer it out a bit if I felt the need but should still be fine?

Confused!
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