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[Brycey]

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Is being made. And........























Is going to have 230bhp




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[andyhardy]

Wow - I take back what I said about the Fiesta RS being underpowered then (it would have been too much money for something with only 180bhp but 230bhp in a light car is going to be fun).

I heard somewhere that the ST150 Fiesta went around the German test track faster than the Focus RS - so obviously the chassis is very good, I wonder how fast this Fiesta RS will get around it?

I'm assuming it's going to have a similar engine to the Focus RS to get that power output.

Cheers,

Andy

[chumkila]

I'll sell my soul to the Devil!

[1992FRST]

i think the time has come to buy my first brand new car!!!!

what isurance group is estimated?

[Brycey]

And the Focus article says the new shape Focus ST will have a mondeo V6 in it

Looks like ford are upping the ante and going back to the basics of Fast Fords

Ford GT
Fiesta ZS
Fiesta RS
Focus ST
Focus Cosworth

[andyhardy]

And the Focus article says the new shape Focus ST will have a mondeo V6 in it

Looks like ford are upping the ante and going back to the basics of Fast Fords

Ford GT
Fiesta ZS
Fiesta RS
Focus ST
Focus Cosworth

I just hope that the V6 engine they use is better than the Durash1te they put in the Mondeo mk1

Cheers,

Andy

[Brycey]

Whats the latest V6 in the current Mondeo?

*reads*

"The first focus to get a V6 Powerplant. With an incredible 217bhp on tap... Ford has shunned the 2.0 litre four-cylinder unit used in the current 168bhp Focus ST170 in favour of the Mondeo's more potent 217bhp 2.5 litre V6."

[andyhardy]

Whats the latest V6 in the current Mondeo?

*reads*

"The first focus to get a V6 Powerplant. With an incredible 217bhp on tap... Ford has shunned the 2.0 litre four-cylinder unit used in the current 168bhp Focus ST170 in favour of the Mondeo's more potent 217bhp 2.5 litre V6."

Oh dear - wonder if they're still using the plastic internalled water pump

[Brycey]

Dunno,dont care. Its a focus.

I want the Fiesta RS.

[jay2k04]

thats even better, i just hope its gonna be turbo charged. Heard from places it wont be

[andyhardy]

thats even better, i just hope its gonna be turbo charged. Heard from places it wont be

To get that power figure out of an engine that fits inside the Fiesta engine bay means that it's going to be forced induction and probably turbocharged.

In fact - I'd stick my neck out and say that they're just going to stick a Focus RS engine in there because it would mean alot less development time/money.

That is unless Ford have made a deal with Honda and are using one of their Vtec lumps from the S2000

[mike_wall15]

I posted about the RS Fiesta after seeing that report a few weeks ago.....Gaz had the following comments to make:

Don't know where you heard that BHP figure, but it doesn't sound right to me 2006 is more realistic as a release date than 2005 as well

Gareth

Mike - that would be cool, but none of the car magazines know anything about the actual specs, trust me It isn't even yet officially being produced! I would say that the most accurate part of what you typed up from AE is the bit about 'showrooms' however

Gareth

Lol, that's true. The thing is, the only people that actually know about the cars are those working where i work - in prototype ops. None of us would ever say anything incriminating as it could be traced back. Ford tend not to mind about so called test drivers etc, selling a story to the magazines saying it has X amount of BHP, as it generates publicity for the car, regardless of it being inaccurate information.

Gareth

So who knows what it'll be like!!

Mike

[andyhardy]

So who knows what it'll be like!!

Mike

I won't be excited if it's only got 180bhp - as I've said before there are far cheaper cars that have that kind of performance (or more) available from other manufacturers and are produced in mass (therefore costing less).

Shame really - 230bhp would have been worth saving up for, 180bhp just doesn't cut the mustard really.

Rivals (not necessarily by size of car but in price bracket):

Clio 182
Peugeot 206 182
Honda Civic Type-R
etc.

[mike_wall15]

So who knows what it'll be like!!

Mike

I won't be excited if it's only got 180bhp - as I've said before there are far cheaper cars that have that kind of performance (or more) available from other manufacturers and are produced in mass (therefore costing less).

Shame really - 230bhp would have been worth saving up for, 180bhp just doesn't cut the mustard really.

Rivals (not necessarily by size of car but in price bracket):

c**o 182
Peugeot 206 182
Honda Civic Type-R
etc.

Andy, I agree, if it's 180bhp then it may not be enough.....I think Ford need to do something to make it stand out, not just achieve what other car manufacturers have done already.

I think the best thing to do is wait and see, and then make an informed choice. Who knows, it may not even look like the current designs, or on the plus side, be much faster than we thought!

Mike

[Gaz7]

People get caught up in numbers......

How it drives and how quick it is, is what actually matters

Gareth

[andyhardy]

People get caught up in numbers......

How it drives and how quick it is, is what actually matters

Gareth

Yes but it means that people actually have to test drive it before they're 'sold' in their heads if you see what I mean.

And that means that test drives have to be made available - which didn't happen with the last limited production run car that Ford made which was the Focus RS

Figures might not mean everything but the target audience is going to be young men - who funnily enough (as much as they deny it) are all about the figures!

I just think Ford's policy on limited production run performance models is all wrong.

Why can't they make a proper hot-hatch in a proper production run rather than the luke-warm hatches like the Zetec S and now the ST150.

Cheers,

Andy

[Gaz7]

That's all top management decision, rather than our department, but the limited runs increase desirability, help maintain values, and keep interest in the car. Don't forget, less FRST's were made than Focus RS's.

The ST is more than lukewarm - 150bhp and an excellent package means it'll surprise most people. I class lukewarm as something like a Zetec-S. The ST is completely different, intentionally so, to what the Zetec-S was ever meant to be. The RS will be a full on hot hatch though.

I meant something slightly different about the figures - i just meant that why does the BHP figure etc matter, as long as the car is fast, times are good, and it beats the opposition?

I don't think they're too bothered about the no test drive thing - you couldn't get a Focus RS test drive, as they all sold out. If the cars all sell without anyone taking one out, then that's okay

[andyhardy]

That's all top management decision, rather than our department, but the limited runs increase desirability, help maintain values, and keep interest in the car. Don't forget, less FRST's were made than Focus RS's.

The ST is more than lukewarm - 150bhp and an excellent package means it'll surprise most people. I class lukewarm as something like a Zetec-S. The ST is completely different, intentionally so, to what the Zetec-S was ever meant to be. The RS will be a full on hot hatch though.

I meant something slightly different about the figures - i just meant that why does the BHP figure etc matter, as long as the car is fast, times are good, and it beats the opposition?

I don't think they're too bothered about the no test drive thing - you couldn't get a Focus RS test drive, as they all sold out. If the cars all sell without anyone taking one out, then that's okay

I think that what Ford needs is another performance car like the Sapphire Cossie and unfortunately making things like the Focus and Fiesta RS as limited production runs just shows to me that they're not really interested in making performance cars anymore.

Whatever their reasons - I think they're taking the wrong direction if Ford Europe plan to increase sales. Other companies have made successful changes by supplying customers with high performance cars in large numbers - people in general like the Ford brand but I know of alot of people who think that Ford have lost their direction when it comes to their performance models.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating as they say.

Cheers,

Andy

[Gaz7]

I know what you're saying - but it's honestly going the other way.

After the mk6RS2k, there was a period with no performance models available.

Things are reversing this trend - we've already had Focus ST and RS, and the Fiesta ST and RS are on the way. These will be supplied with warm hatch Zetec-S's, and a wide selection of mark2 Focus performance models, including the ST and RS.

Also currently available of course is the ST220 - any car limited to 155mph is far from slow This is joined later in the year by the ST TDCi, and a 'selection' of performance models for the mark4 Mondeo. One of this selection may be the model you were hinting about earlier

Trust me - the Ford performance models are on the way back, it just takes time to build the range back again

The worst possible thing to do would be to rush out a full selection of bad, under-engineered cars, which sell, but are poor. Everything must come in it's time when it's ready. I honestly think both the Fiesta ST and RS are amazing cars, and will be fantastic upon launch, which wouldn't have been possible without all the work that's gone into the projects

Gareth

[andyhardy]

I know what you're saying - but it's honestly going the other way.

After the mk6RS2k, there was a period with no performance models available.

Things are reversing this trend - we've already had Focus ST and RS, and the Fiesta ST and RS are on the way. These will be supplied with warm hatch Zetec-S's, and a wide selection of mark2 Focus performance models, including the ST and RS.

Also currently available of course is the ST220 - any car limited to 155mph is far from slow This is joined later in the year by the ST TDCi, and a 'selection' of performance models for the mark4 Mondeo. One of this selection may be the model you were hinting about earlier

Trust me - the Ford performance models are on the way back, it just takes time to build the range back again

The worst possible thing to do would be to rush out a full selection of bad, under-engineered cars, which sell, but are poor. Everything must come in it's time when it's ready. I honestly think both the Fiesta ST and RS are amazing cars, and will be fantastic upon launch, which wouldn't have been possible without all the work that's gone into the projects

Gareth

True enough - I remember the sad days after the RS2000 mk6, absolutely terrible for Ford's reputation amongst the pub-goers!

I never doubted the engineering behind these cars (except for the longevity of the Duratec V6 engine ) - they have always been fantastic in that regard.

My quibbles are aimed at the marketing department - as said on Top Gear why the hell do companies do market research? The kind of people that fill in questionaires aren't the type of people who are going to be buying these cars!

The quibble that I have also is the fact that Ford's HQ is based in Germany (as also mentioned in Top Gear recently) and the boss of Ford Europe in Germany seems to have an obsession with beating VW/Audi. This is not a bad thing but in trying to compete with someone like that you often lose sight of any innovative ideas - car's like the Cortina and Sierra broke the mold (or jelly-mold in the Sierra's case ), I haven't really seen that recently with Ford's developments.

Cheers,

Andy

[Gaz7]

The Duratec V6 you refer to is a good engine But is being discontinued within the next few months to be replaced by the much better 3.0L Duratec from the ST220. This will appear in a detuned form in the cars that usually run the 2.5.

The boss of Ford europe changed a couple of months back, and despite German HQ's, Dunton is Europe's lead plant. As for innovative ideas - the mark2 Focus is the last of the 'new edge' design cars. After this launch completely new models take on a new company i.d. - so you'll have to wait and see if you like it I've seen the idea in practice on the mk4 Mondeo, and love it

Gareth

[KEVFRST]

This is all very very exiting news. Jus going back to the limited run of cars thou, I think that is a much much better idea than a mass produced car like the Impreza for example. Its a nice car, but it jsu dont have that exclusivity anymore. How many times do u see a FRST or a real RS500 on a journey compared to a STi?

[andyhardy]

My quibble with the Duratec is that if something goes wrong on it it's usually so expensive to repair that you're better off scrapping the car, especially when they become older (which is when people like myself can usually afford to buy a car - several owners down the chain).

Also the 2.5 V6 was pretty crumby in performance terms, low torque with mediocre power.

I owned one that died on me so I suppose I've got a tainted view of them but I know that I won't be buying a Duratec V6 model again - What CAr also said to steer clear of the V6 engined cars purely because of cost of repairs if the unfortunate should happen.

Cheers,

Andy

P.S. Can't wait to see Ford's new range of cars, I think that it could really do with another revamp!

[Excursion]

nice cars, crap roads

[JamieFRST]

Where do I sign?

[SPo0n]

And the Focus article says the new shape Focus ST will have a mondeo V6 in it

Looks like ford are upping the ante and going back to the basics of Fast Fords

Ford GT
Fiesta ZS slow
Fiesta RS
Focus ST slow
Focus Cosworth

[EvilDes]

So many cynical views going on here!

I like it, always have done, and seeing it at the Motorshow really impressed me. I would have one in an instant. And if this new report is true about the performance figures, then even better!

But as has been said, lets wait and see before we start bitching about something that may not happen (180bhp, non turbocharged etc).

Chilllllll Winstonnnnn!

[heeman10]

nice cars, crap roads

A-bloody-men. Superb roads where I live, but most people have to put up with motorways and speed cameras. Had this conversation with my dad earlier this week. So many cars and bikes these days offer devastating performance, but do you ever get to use it? I like the Fiesta RS, and wouldn't mind buying a low-miler after uni

[SPo0n]

easy to drive fast if you're prepared to take a few risks.. not saying it's safe or you should do so though

[Fiestasi-Andy]

are you able to put a deposit on one now?

[Gaz7]

Whats the latest V6 in the current Mondeo?

*reads*

"The first focus to get a V6 Powerplant. With an incredible 217bhp on tap... Ford has shunned the 2.0 litre four-cylinder unit used in the current 168bhp Focus ST170 in favour of the Mondeo's more potent 217bhp 2.5 litre V6."

Hmmmm..... all is not well with the magazine writing that - we've already publically announced that the 2.5V6 from the mondeo is going out of production in the next few months. I've also read it in a news article, (one of the little, few lines of text jobs) at the front of a recent Auto Express or Autocar...

I can understand why they've had a guess on that - i reckon they've seen something on one of the test cars that makes it look like a V6, so they've put 2 and 2 together to make 5. They're close though! I'm a bit confused to what engine they actually mean though - the mondeo 2.5V6 is 170bhp, the other V6, the 3.0 ST engine is 220bhp, and none of them are 217.... hmmm....

Yes, sadly there are some cynical views on here - the Fiesta Zetec-S is a warm hatch, it was never intended to be a hot hatch, so i'm not sure if you can class it as slow - it's plenty for what it's designed to be. The current Focus ST is far from being slow, with fast 0-60, 0-100 and top end. The new one is even faster.

Fiestasi-Andy - The Fiesta RS isn't 'offically' announced yet, but despite this, some dealers will still take your money as deposit for one

Gareth

[acstua]

The ST200 has a 217 or 200bhp V6 2.5 ;d


i am lookin at gettin one next tho i mite have to hold out!

[andyhardy]

I'm a bit confused to what engine they actually mean though - the mondeo 2.5V6 is 170bhp, the other V6, the 3.0 ST engine is 220bhp, and none of them are 217.... hmmm....

I think they're using actual reported figures from the cars - the Mondeo ST200 when rolling roaded by owners was somewhere between 185 to 195bhp. It's publicly doubted that it was ever close to the 200bhp that the 200 represents.

However, when looking at the rolling road reports for the ST220 the engines all appear to be alot higher on both power and torque figures than the quoted figures - which is nice

I still won't buy one though!

Cheers,

Andy

[acstua]

st220 is a bit beyond me ;/


and the same with the focus st170


hum :|

[G-Forze]

Holy cow! 230bhp in such a small car?! here comes trouble....

Well, if you buy one, you instandly have to arange your funeral, IMHO. Think what happens when people (such as us ) start to tune it......

Don't understand me wrong: I like fast cars, but I think this is way too fast for such a little stock factory-car.