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[MAD_Adamski]

so does this mean i [ERRR] get my rs rack refurbed by ford???

[jayrs]

yeah some of what you say is right and i have said about it, i havent gone into detail over the engines as this wasnt the question in the first place.

things you ARE wrong about tho

FRST has its own rack.

rear shocks are 25mm shorter and stiffer

the proper lower arm ball joint are 3 rivets and are 10mm set out and 10mm set back,

xr2i has oil cooler too ( or should have)

engine mounts are different, i cant see how but to mr ford they are? mabey its just the main one?

as for the rear anti rol bar, i have seen a lots of xr2i without them, mabey it was a extra?

most of what you have said is right but in more detail, but i know for a fact the about is right,

im sorry to be so harsh but i know im right mate, as i have had problems with racks and ball joints and it took me ages to get the right ones, i even have a ford manual that points out the difference's.

were both right

my bad for being to quick for the "no reply"

[jayrs]

give them a call and ask them mate, they send it away anyway, but have you got the right rack now? if not its not worth getting done as you might as well get the right one.

if i remember rightly, the rs rack is bigger diameter? i tried to put a rack gator on the black rs i was selling as it had a split and i took 1 from a old 2i rack and it was to small, only prob about 10mm O/D( couldnt really see as it was getting dark) but it wouldnt go on, i had to by new ones lol

if you do, make a note of a rack and make sure its the right one when you get it back, i.e check how many turns from lock to lok and check it when you get it back.
unfortunaly i couldnt do that as my FRST rack had already gone but i know i have the right one now, lucky, but 2 years wait and £120 i would fooking hope so.

[Tomdom]

- ive fitted rst lower amrs to my 2i and they were identical to my old ones, apart from not f**cked and yes 3 pin.

- 2i and rs engine mounts are the same, all 3 of them, i stil have my old ones

- dont think the rear arb was an option, just some xr2is had them and other stuff that was the same. think 2 of mine have

- whats the oil cooler that the 2i should have?

sorry to aim this post at you jayrs but it was the last one i read and just writitng what i know, no offence intended, just ive got 3 xr2is and one with a load of frst parts

i wouldnt always go buy the ford codes for stuff as alot is the same in experience

tom

[MAD_Adamski]

i will check i have a new rack but i will check the other 2 old ones i have 1 is a rs one and 1 is a xr one and get the rs one refurbed

[jayrs]

thats cool mate, the lower arms are the same, its the ball joints that are different, but you can fit them on to any fiesta there just different as in the amount they hang out etc, ill dig my manual out later and get a pic up.

the engine mounts may look the same but the FRST one are ment to be the same as ERST one which are ment to be stronger, i think its all b0llocks my self my mr ford says different. even tho prices are the same.

the oil cooler id the bit where the oil filer goes, it has 2 water pipes fgoing into the top of it.

as for the ARB seems were sll right and wrong, some had them some didn't, good old ford,

end your right, just cos things have differetn part number dont mean there different, but, i have found this between models, i.e starter motor for a escort and one for a fiesta, there the same but different part numbers?

as for the lower ball joints on your car, you may of had FRST stuff on there anyway, or they gave you the wrong ones? i unno but xr2i's are ment to have the 3 riveted one too i belive and the amount i have senn with the arm with only 2.
mate broke a FRST a few years back, drivers side had 2 rivets, passanger had 3.

no probs directing it at me mate.

[Fezzy Turbo]

I agree with Jayrs .....

Steering rack IS different from all the rest, i had to get mine re-conditioned as we couldnt get one to fit properly after trying 4 from a motor factors! Ford were absolutley useless, they said you could drop it off and wait.......... and i would have probably still be waiting now

Std shocks ARE different with "revised damping rate" compared to 2i


and oh yeah, one more difference : FRST speedo goes to 150mph ..... Xr2i doesnt

[jayrs]

where did you get it reconned mate? when ford told me about it they said it would take 3 weeks, but i never had my old one, garage had already sent it back.
oh and they put a unipart rack on which was cr@p as it was a standard fiesta rack.
i have the right one now but i also have a FRST rack in the shed that came off a mate crashed one which might be worth getting reconned as a spare.

and yeah, forgot about the speedo

[Project]

yeah some of what you say is right and i have said about it, i havent gone into detail over the engines as this wasnt the question in the first place.

things you ARE wrong about tho

FRST has its own rack.

rear shocks are 25mm shorter and stiffer

the proper lower arm ball joint are 3 rivets and are 10mm set out and 10mm set back,

xr2i has oil cooler too ( or should have)

engine mounts are different, i cant see how but to mr ford they are? mabey its just the main one?

as for the rear anti rol bar, i have seen a lots of xr2i without them, mabey it was a extra?

most of what you have said is right but in more detail, but i know for a fact the about is right,

im sorry to be so harsh but i know im right mate, as i have had problems with racks and ball joints and it took me ages to get the right ones, i even have a ford manual that points out the difference's.

were both right

my bad for being to quick for the "no reply"

Hi Jay. Friday night fight-time I reckon then

Hokay...

- FRST does have it's own rack (think I said that one didn't I? )
- rear shocks I'm prepared to bow to your greater knowledge on that (but I won't do anything kinky...)
- FRST lower arm balljoints ARE NOT 10mm further out or back - they're a lot less than that (but the track *is* 10mm back and out)
- Oil cooler iirc was a Euro option on the n/a 2i, or was listed as being required but not fitted to a LOT of them.
- engine mounts are the same. Microcat lists a different part number but the come from the same production line.
- Rear arb - not on most 2i 8vs, just some

C'mon, fight fight fight!

/al

[jayrs]

lol fight time na, no need to bow down mate, sorry will be ok

the rack you said was same as 2i but quicker......so its different then yeah

oil coolers should be on 2i's and the 2i's i have seen have had them.

the Rear ARB, as i say, all the ones i have seen have had them, mabey im just lucky

engine mounts, ok, ill let ya have that, i dont see a difference but ford say they are

and the lower ball joint, sorry mate, you are wrong, sorry to have to state it but look at the picture below, taken from a manual that explanes the small differences between the 2i and RS ( but not all as its a service manual from ford)

[Fezzy Turbo]

Jayrs ..... the wonderful Ford "Technicians Product Training" manual, i have a copy of that to

[Project]

:oooh:

Shot down in flames - I like your style!

Now *that's* interesting - if the arms themselves are 10mm longer, then the track would be more than 20mm wider in total - I thought it only had an extra 10mm track total...???

Re the racks - think there might have been some variation on the thickness of the track rods but I'm not convinced it was a turbo-specific thing, just a manufacturing difference (maybe between different parts mfrs?) as the track rod ends have the same size threads, so thickening the track rods wouldn't make much odds I guess?

/al

[Project]

(p.s. feel free to post as many more pics of that manual as you like ).

[Ollybee]

It seems ALL of the Zetec engined Fiestas had front and rear anti roll bars.

[jayrs]

na not gunna post any more pic's up other wise your get the whole manual for free, and i had to pay so we dont want that now do we , lol

the track control arms are the same size as the other racks, the actual thickness of the case is a little bigger where the gators go i belive, but not by a great deal


yeah Fezzy Turbo, that the manual, not as good as i thought it would be and prob not worth the price i paid for it, but i had to have it anyway.

[nick.king]

(p.s. feel free to post as many more pics of that manual as you like ).

He might sell it you for the £20 it cost him off eBay

Nick.

[jayrs]

no no mate, thats ill sell ya a copy for £20

[t2rst]

jayrs on the first page you say that the front bumpers are different because of the fan cut out

the thing im confused about is my bumper has this cut out but it also has the 3 holes for the 2i grill ive been told its 2i front bumper but if they didnt have the cut out then what the hell is on my car some sort of hybrid bumper any idears to why this is

does this mean i have a mismatch front bumper

[jayrs]

yeah its the cut out, thats all.

could be 1 of 2 things
first off what colour is the strip? im guessing blue as you say its a 2i so going on that

1 its a FRST bumper with green strip removed and blue one put in and grill put back on

2 someone cut the bit out for some reason?

wouldnt worry about it unless it bothers you, just means if you were to fit a turbo lump you dont have to mess with the bumper

[t2rst]

mine is a rst mate and the cut out looks factory



dave

[jayrs]

hmm, what coulors the bumper strip? if its one of the cars in ya siggy did you replace the strip?

i would say that someon has had it on a 2i at some point or someone fitted the grill to the FRST?

[t2rst]

theres no strip
i think someone has had the grill on at some point as the holes are a bit funny




dave

[andyhardy]

I reckon it's a 2i one and that the old one was replaced as it was damaged or something.

The markup on the RS bumpers (and their rarity) over the XR ones means it's cheaper to use the XR ones when replacing them.

I wouldn't worry too much about it Dave.

Cheers,

Andy

[jayrs]

thats true andy, the mark up for is a lot, and you get less bumper when you think about it, lol

[RS_Rawli]

ive had 3 frsts to my disposal

2 had 3 points on the ball joints

the 4500miler ex ford demonstrator had 2 point ones, so

[jayrs]

so.............. ford got the wrong ones on theres
good old fords cant help but love them

[RS_Rawli]

no they are actually longer too, the camber on the front of my car is quite bad

madcatcraig pointed this out a few years ago when he bought some stuff off me, said they werent frst lower arms, but they are

[t2rst]

rawli do your wheels kinda slope in at the top kinda like this angle \ but not as much obviously




dave

[RS_Rawli]

yeah mate, negative camber

[t2rst]

good good cause i was looking at mine the other day and thought hmmmm thats not very good but guese its normal







dave

[RS_Rawli]

yeah stupidly exagerated if ure lower with bigger wheels

[t2rst]

yeah no what ya saying even with 15's and a 35mm drop they look like there gonna fall off




dave

[RS_Rawli]

can see it here kinda tho

the frst lower arms really help with 17s though, stopped a lot of my scrubbing...before it went lower

[t2rst]

seeing that loud and clear rawli surely that would make the tyres ware more on the inner side




dave

[MAD_Adamski]

just to let u all know ford dont do the rs racks anymore i went to see them but they do a repair kit but they also told me a local company do refurbed ones and may list the RS one,

so i called up and sure enuf they do a RS refurb rack for £40 amazing so will be getting one next week