Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Dave G fsi on Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:27 am

Two stroke fiesta, thats certainly different, never knew about these!
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:21 pm

fiend wrote:
Excursion wrote:Wow, cool.

I've seen some cool stuff at work; Mk1 and Mk2 Focus RS 4x4's :D


the ones Ford used during development?



Yeah, one's matt black :D
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:26 pm

MotorcyclesFish wrote:So, almost a year on it's proven that I wasn't imagining things - the Haynes museum has one of the prototype 1.2 3cyl 2T fiestas on display, in near mint condition. Info reveals it was powered by an Orbital developed engine and was actually capable of passing the then-current emissions legislation.
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I've been looking at this some more and I'm a bit puzzled; the connector design and especially that alternator seem to be post-Mk3 era, do we have a date for this?
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Capri on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:36 pm

Excursion wrote:
MotorcyclesFish wrote:So, almost a year on it's proven that I wasn't imagining things - the Haynes museum has one of the prototype 1.2 3cyl 2T fiestas on display, in near mint condition. Info reveals it was powered by an Orbital developed engine and was actually capable of passing the then-current emissions legislation.
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I've been looking at this some more and I'm a bit puzzled; the connector design and especially that alternator seem to be post-Mk3 era, do we have a date for this?


1992, as verified by pics I have here of the prototypes on J-plates. :)
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:17 pm

Capri wrote:1992, as verified by pics I have here of the prototypes on J-plates. :)


Cheers, that's interesting. There must be a long take-to-market time with some of that stuff. The Alternator and connectors weren't used until the Mk4 Fiesta :)
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby MotorcyclesFish on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:22 pm

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1989 Fiesta III Diesel. Experimental 2-Stroke


Is it definitely a diesel? I was given to believe that diesel 2-strokes typically (although by no means definitively) operate a poppet valve exhaust and I can see no cam driving gear, which would indicate to me that this is a petrol item? Furthermore, those 3 items on the front look a lot like coil-on-plug setups. Also, I thought a direct injection 2-stroke is meant to be used to allow a sump bottom end without the need for total loss lubrication? Perhaps this is an intermediary step with EFI regulating mixture only, rather than a true injection-to-combustion-chamber direct injection (ref. Aprilia Ditech). I suppose that diesel fuel would be a better lubricator of the bottom end than petrol though!

I may be wildly off the mark; it has been known, but some things don't seem right here.

Mark: If the engine was produced as a package by Orbital as suggested, connectors would not be Ford Europe items? Speaking of connectors, big lols at the choccy blocks to the nearside of the alternator.

Alex: Good info mate.
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby fiend on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:28 pm

Excursion wrote:
fiend wrote:
Excursion wrote:Wow, cool.

I've seen some cool stuff at work; Mk1 and Mk2 Focus RS 4x4's :D


the ones Ford used during development?



Yeah, one's matt black :D


Oh that sounds awesome! Don't suppose you have any pictures?
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:29 am

fiend wrote:Oh that sounds awesome! Don't suppose you have any pictures?


Afraid not; cameras aren't allowed in Dunton, and the cars have already been crushed.
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:48 am

MotorcyclesFish wrote:
Capri wrote:
1989 Fiesta III Diesel. Experimental 2-Stroke


Is it definitely a diesel? I was given to believe that diesel 2-strokes typically (although by no means definitively) operate a poppet valve exhaust and I can see no cam driving gear, which would indicate to me that this is a petrol item? Furthermore, those 3 items on the front look a lot like coil-on-plug setups. Also, I thought a direct injection 2-stroke is meant to be used to allow a sump bottom end without the need for total loss lubrication? Perhaps this is an intermediary step with EFI regulating mixture only, rather than a true injection-to-combustion-chamber direct injection (ref. Aprilia Ditech). I suppose that diesel fuel would be a better lubricator of the bottom end than petrol though!

I may be wildly off the mark; it has been known, but some things don't seem right here.

Mark: If the engine was produced as a package by Orbital as suggested, connectors would not be Ford Europe items? Speaking of connectors, big lols at the choccy blocks to the nearside of the alternator.

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I agree, it's a petrol engine for sure.

RE: Connectors. The engine would be supplied by Orbital but no doubt it's fitted to the chassis in Dunton. I've seen all sorts of prototypes in the workshops on my lunch hour. That Alt is a 1.25 Zetec Mk4 Fiesta item and so are the connectors. Ford parts bin stuff :)
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby dangerousdave on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:52 am

:o :o :o why did they get crushed mate??
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:10 am

dangerousdave wrote::o :o :o why did they get crushed mate??


Sadly, all of the prototypes do. It's for both legal and cost reasons. In a lot of cases it's actually cheaper to scrap/dispose of the car rather then break it down.

A lot of the less radical prototypes do get broken, and end up stripped by a company called 'Environ'. These tend to be pretty standard cars with trim or engine calibration changes.
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby dangerousdave on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:12 am

should of sold it me for scrap value!! :D
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby mtbdean on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:21 pm

I seen a MK4 at one of the shows, but it was a different design, still looked sweet :D
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby xrsi on Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:50 pm

mark mate the alt ould have gone and been retro fitted as there are scotch block connectors just by it if you look closely!!! ;)
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby XRMike on Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:31 am

Wow, you learn something new everyday! I want one! :D
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby G-Muzzy on Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:18 pm

round my area they have quick as fook BMW 5 series estates gotta be 3.0 diesel. and also the octavia VRS

but there newest edition.... evo X :bonkers: :bonkers:
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Excursion on Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:47 pm

Chaps I've found a little more info on the 2-stroke. It's in a book at work (Ford). I'll scan it if anyones interested.

The Engine is the Ford 'KHD'.
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Rhinopower on Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:03 pm

Please do share :)
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Dave G fsi on Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:55 pm

Ooooooo, let us know more! :aviator:
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby fiend on Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:01 pm

bump for the scans. :D
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Tweek on Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:53 pm

Bump for a couple more pics after seeing it in the flesh :) I wonder if Microcat has anything on it :lol:

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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby dontpannic on Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:05 pm

The plot thickens.

Nice info there Wayne!
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby dangerousdave on Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:20 pm

dam, cant see the full reg or you could see what info could be found on tax and insurance sites lol
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Tweek on Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:44 pm

dangerousdave wrote:dam, cant see the full reg or you could see what info could be found on tax and insurance sites lol
NHK :bonkers:
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Max M4X WW on Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:30 pm

Excursion wrote:Cheers, that's interesting. There must be a long take-to-market time with some of that stuff. The Alternator and connectors weren't used until the Mk4 Fiesta :)

I thought the same.

Anyone got the link to the cop car? I cant find it
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby Max M4X WW on Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:34 pm

Ok I cant find it as this was ages ago :lol:

Its registered as a 1.2 LX, Tax liability in 96 so was used for three years.

6 Months Rate £68.75
12 Months Rate £125.00
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby rst-steve on Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:26 pm

Very cool that, never heard of that one before :)
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby fezzRS on Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:09 pm

reocn they shoudl of fitted a turbo to a 1.1 bet it wud of bin nippy :lol:
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Re: Mk3 Ford Fiesta Ex-Police Car

Postby fiestakingfisher on Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:41 pm

Anyone got any pics of the mk3 Police car?? :)
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