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Postby Jay on Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:59 pm

get focus ones max ;)

or modify the zetec-s rear beam to take rs2000 brakes like I have :D

James, That wud be awesome mate, if not then we can get onto Scort :D
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Postby Max M4X WW on Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:00 am

Any pics jay? Cant have any extra width really cos i want 16x8" wheels.
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Postby Jay on Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:03 am

will get pics for you tomorrow mate :D

Good point... get rs2k ones then :D

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They do an rs2k rear setup for £60 posted iirc :)
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Postby ianFRST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:14 am

i never knew the rs2000 used pads aswell :oooh: whats the reasoning behing that?
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Postby heeman10 on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:35 am

Ian - If you look at my pics you'll notice the disc is verrrry deep. That's because there's an internal drum brake (for the handbrake) and the disc/pads are used as normal foot brakes.
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Postby Max M4X WW on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:56 am

Does ian mean shooes?
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Postby Jay on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:58 am

yeah... handbrakes are better as drums as they work on the surface around the entire hub rather than on a concentrated area ;)
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Postby heeman10 on Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:31 pm

Max M4X WW wrote:Does ian mean shooes?

Who knows?! He comes out with all kinds of gobble-di-gook, I just do my best to try and make sense of it all! :lol: :-?
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Postby heeman10 on Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:59 pm

Update

Since I spent the first part of the day going to and from the show further North, I haven't got much done yet today. I spent half an hour or so sanding back the P40 (very hard stuff, so takes quite a while) on the two repairs I made. The small repair looks as though it won't need any filler, as it's sanded back perfectly:

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The larger repair now needs filling and sanding to the correct contours to mask over the troughs of the slots I cut with the angle grinder. The repair's worked very well - the split had travelled down the right hand face, and then along the bottom of the bumper about 15cm! It was all falling apart, clearly being held mostly together by the paint! :rolleyes: It's all had a wash and is drying in the sun, so I'll aim to get a skim of filler on before the day's out:

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Tomorrow I'll try to remove the brake pipes from the engine bay. If they're reasonably accessible (the connections) I'll remove these original pipes and make new ones that'll fit to the original fittings at the back of the bay, to save adding another join up by the master cylinder. Once I know what I need, and have worked out what's needed for the hard pipes I need to make for the rear discs, I'll go to town and buy the pipe and fittings. I aim to have the brakes all ready to connect up by Wednesday night, provided my brake pipe flaring tool arrives, and the bumper should be fully primed and possibly sprayed red by then.
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Postby MarkRS2K on Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:53 pm

hopefully be done by FF mate :D
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Postby MAD_Adamski on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:57 pm

were all on a tight schedule :o hopefully we will ALL be there in full working order, my new box makes the car feel even stronger glad i invested now me and you james 0-60 thrash is in order!!! :devil: main reasons for me keeping 15's was when i called bernie ages ago he said with his box i will hit 63mph in 2nd on 15's :devil: so i am hoping my 0-60 to be good altho my top end will be w.a.n.k :lol:
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Postby heeman10 on Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:01 pm

WTF? What 'box have you got? Is it a long 'box? Most of us fail to hit 60 in 2nd...
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Postby heeman10 on Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:15 pm

Update

Decided I'd work on the bumper properly today to get it ready for primer by tonight...and I accomplished that. The filler's still doing my head in, it just won't spread like other filler I've used :x It doesn't spread into, and fill holes, it tries to grip to the surface and churns itself up, regardless of the hardener content :x Anyway, after much application and sanding, I got it ready for spraying:

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I swept the rear of the building I store the car in in the afternoon, to allow the dust to settle, and laid a silage bag down on the ground, then trussed the bumper up from a beam to let me get at it from all round:

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I wanted to get one coat of primer on to see how it looked (it's hard to tell the precise shape, and quality of the finish on a surface like this without a solid colour all the way over it) and am largely happy. There are a few imperfections in the smoothed top strip (stupid filler's fault), but after looking at it again just now I think a coat or two of filler primer could save the day. Anyway, some pics:

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A mate's coming for a couple of days tomorrow, so I won't be able to carry on with the bumper or brakes for a bit, which means the ZT won't be going to TOTB, and means things will be pretty darn tight for Ford Fair. I think the tax and MOT are about to run out too...typical :lol:
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Postby rich_frst on Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:19 pm

nice jambo!!! :) are you goona smooth the rear next :-? :bonkers:
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Postby heeman10 on Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:21 pm

I will need to smooth the really, plus the rear bumper needs tidying up anyway. The front was a bit critical though, as it was cracking, chipped ALL over, as the first pics showed, and I wanted to smooth them anyway, mainly for ease of cleaning. If the paint match is good, then yeah, I'll probably do the rear before too long too :)
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Postby rich_frst on Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:23 pm

heeman10 wrote:I will need to smooth the really, plus the rear bumper needs tidying up anyway. The front was a bit critical though, as it was cracking, chipped ALL over, as the first pics showed, and I wanted to smooth them anyway, mainly for ease of cleaning. If the paint match is good, then yeah, I'll probably do the rear before too long too :)


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Postby heeman10 on Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:26 pm

You lot do try so very hard :lol: You know..if this paint match is REALLY good, I may even attack some of the actual car bodywork. I've done the bumper on the grounds of "It'll look better than it did before, even if it's not a great finish and not a brilliant match", so it's a bit different when it comes to the car body. Rear bumper, yeah, fine, but I doubt the Halfords colour-matched paint would blend in too well when it's a 25mm circular patch I've done :-?
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Postby Jay on Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:22 pm

Looks good mate but I'd honestly remove the splitter as the paint will flake close to the edge of this
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Postby heeman10 on Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:14 am

I put pics up at the beginning of the job - the guy who made the bumper fibreglassed the splitter on :rolleyes: The masking tape's gone on fine..pushed up to the top of the splitter and folded over the top with a thumb nail, which means it travels under the bottom of the bumper body itself, so all should be fine :)
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Postby heeman10 on Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:43 pm

Update

I had a call from my mate to say he wouldn't be here till early this evening, so I decided to go into town and buy the brake pipe, fittings, and filler primer to allow me to carry on. I've already put the coat of filler primer on, followed by a coat of normal grey plastic primer, and will apply the final coat (fourth) in a few minutes.

These pics show what I hoped they would. Even if the final finish I get with the colour isn't brilliant, the bumper will still look less messy than it did before!

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(There are, in the pic below, marks that look like runs around the bumper light housing, but it's masking tape just poking up)

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And now some before/after shot pairings to show that it's been a worthwhile exercise!

"Before":

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And the "afters":

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The crease in that lower right hand corner is a little tighter/deeper than I would've liked it, but I didn't want to risk taking too much away from the crack repair and allowing it to open up again. It's mostly hidden by the number plate on the bottom half of the bumper anyway.

And the opposite corner "before":

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And "after":

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There are one or two imperfections that I'm not really too bothered about..at least not at the moment. I'll put on the last coat of primer now, give it a day or two to dry then sand it all down and see how it looks :)


As I have the brake pipe and fittings I need now, I can make up all my lines and fit the RS2000 brakes at long last. I guesstimate about another 4-5 hours' work is needed to completely finish up the brakes/master cylinder conversions.
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Postby rich_frst on Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:45 pm

smooth as!!!! :aviator: :aviator:
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Postby RS_Rawli on Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:18 pm

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Postby ~nomad~ on Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:40 pm

looking good james, started my brakes today, and managed to break 2 lines lol. no matter thou, the car wont be at ford fair, decided to do all the stuff in one hit, as per our convo yesterday, and bought a escort cab today to use in the meantime :lol:
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Postby mike_wall15 on Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:41 pm

The paint finish looks good, certainly looks smoother! :Q

Didn't realise you were going for a different colour though, don't you think the yellow will look a bit wierd against the red car? :-?

(You need to polish the rest of your car now!)

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Postby MAD_Adamski on Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:00 pm

since when was your car going yellow :oooh: :P
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Postby Xr_Dub on Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:59 am

adamski frst wrote:since when was your car going yellow :oooh: :P


:-? isnt that his primer
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Postby ScottP on Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:02 am

its plastic primer i think.

if you look at his pic
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you can still see where the groove for the rubbing stip was. there is like a line running along it
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Postby Andi on Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:48 am

You know, I think he might have been joking.. ;)

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Postby ScottP on Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:25 am

the smilies werent working when i saw that, lol, damn computer!
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Postby heeman10 on Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:00 am

~nomad~ - How did you break them? :( Bending too far or twisting? It always is better doing everything once, and with plenty of time instead of rushing. It's a shame it won't be at the show, but you know it's a better decision :) Cabby! :lol:

Mike/Adamski - You know how I love multicoloured motoring! :D I still don't have any particularly special cleaning products, but will give the car a bit of a polish, certainly :)

ScottP - If you look at the pictures further up the page, you'll see the one where the bumper's still red, showing the top strip. On the RS bumper, working upwards from the cutout, the bumper slopes upwards steeply, then rounds the edge and slopes up till almost vertically, then drops into the bumper strip recess. The top lip of the recess isn't directly vertically above the bottom lip, as the bottom lip sticks out a bit further, so you get another angle change between the lower and upper lips (i.e. the volume I've smoothed). That results in that angle change that slopes back to the top of the bumper strip recess, it's not just a lumpy line where the filler starts :lol:

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Postby ianFRST on Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:29 am

heeman10 wrote:
Max M4X WW wrote:Does ian mean shooes?

Who knows?! He comes out with all kinds of gobble-di-gook, I just do my best to try and make sense of it all! :lol: :-?


bite me you pair of gays. i ment shoes, but rear pads, blah, same thing :lol:
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Postby MarkRS2K on Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:34 am

looking good mate :)
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Postby disc on Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:55 am

heeman,
Today I got mine rear disks, hubs, calipers, rear ABR ect., no beam from Escort Cabrio (I suppose it was XR3i but I talk with junk yard man on the phone and he sent me all stuff with courier, so i don't know nothing about the car). I mean it's not RS2k but I think it's the same setup as RS2k. Rear brake disk conversion will be for my Mk3 Orion ZT and I have few questions.

As your setup is from RS2k would you measure length of brake hoses (just the rubber part)? I hope I can use my standard "drum" hoses. Brake hoses on my setup was cut :( as the handbrake cable :(
Also - is there any kind of "springs" (is that the right word?) on calipers that hold pads in place and stoping them from rattling as mine don't have?
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Postby chris-fiesta on Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:50 am

looking good james.. if you manage to lay the red and laquer down as you have been with the primer id suggest you get the front bumper mopped by a pro after youve sprayed it and youll have a really nice finish :Q
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Postby heeman10 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:06 am

disc - So far I only have this picture (from the previous page) which shows the top of the spring plates in the caliper:

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I'll try to remember to take a better picture when I'm working on the car in a few minutes. I'll also try to remember to measure the length of the flexi hose :)

chris - I'll do that myself. I'd rather pay £40 or whatever for the equipment and do it all myself than pay £20 odd for someone to do it for me! That's not really the feeling behind the things I do!
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