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[pauldolman]

looking good paul pump looks standard to me though your best bet would be to build up a complete replacement. escos pump,loose the metal diaphragm part between the pump and the metal tube and replace with a piece of hose.. while your at it remove the black box + buy a new tank seal for the top

i was told that a standerd pump would never have been able to produce the power it's running

well by the beige looking colour of the top of the pump id say its standard. escos one is black with a multi plug on the top.

like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WALBRO-255-FU ... 071wt_1271

jon it is all silver underneath the black sleve just the colour of the cap is different

[FRSJON]

yes but still looks very standard ..not sure if it would have ford stamped on ? does it?

[jayrs]

looks std that pump, any numbers on it?

[pauldolman]

yes but still looks very standard ..not sure if it would have ford stamped on ? does it?

can't see anything stampted on the top where the 2 connections on it, there's a gold circular piece a bit further up which has a ford stamp on it but i don't think thats actually a part of the actual pump

[FRSJON]

looks std that pump, any numbers on it?

you must have a pic of a standard pump and a escos one ive looked but cant find one

[jayrs]

normally, after market pumps have a differe plug, they dont tend to have spade connectors.

what makes ya think i got pictures of std pumps and uprated pumps


std



uprated





i would still remove it and roll that black foam off and check for part mubers though, its the only way to be 100% sure, after all it could of come out of a escort cosworth and look just like a std frst one

[pauldolman]

here u go jay, nothing stampted on it, no ford logo ect



the car has gone through 2 mapping sessions 1 on a rolling road and another on the road as a live map, and no comments were made that there is any issue with it

[jayrs]

what power you running though? the std pump is good for 180bhp.

looks std still, but without any part numbers who knows, but if you have been using it without any fuel issues, then carry on with it, or if your feeling flush, buy a new uprated one and keep that one wrapped up as a spare

[pauldolman]

what power you running though? the std pump is good for 180bhp.

looks std still, but without any part numbers who knows, but if you have been using it without any fuel issues, then carry on with it, or if your feeling flush, buy a new uprated one and keep that one wrapped up as a spare

it's running 230bhp jay

[jayrs]

ah well, if its a std pump its doing fcuking well but i cant see it being a std one at that power.

i assume a std escort cos pump as fitted by ford would look the same as a std FRST pump, again, as it was fitted by ford, its normaly the pattern part ones that show the biggest difference as my pics, so maybe, and this is a guess as i have never seen a std ford fitted escort cos pump, maybe what you have is a std ford fitment escort cosworth pump? as the uprated frst pump is only a std escort cos pump anyway

[pauldolman]

jay, jon or anyone else HELP needed, i'm getting more and more confused about fuel pumps

i've been down to see jano today for some general advise about the fuel pump issue, he was'nt sure what my pump was from eirther he said it looks very simular to a standerd fiesta pump but it might also be a small turbo esc [ERRR] one too, i'm really not sure what to do about changing it or not, it makes sence to change it as the tank is off IF it is a standerd one, but no one can tell me clearly one way or the other if it is a standerd one or not, i would have thought it is a upgrade of some sort but it's not something i've ever changed so i really don't know what to do

i suggested to jano about getting one of the sytec upgrade pumps but he was'nt that convinced on them he said what i really need is a bosch 023(gen esc [ERRR] pump) but it's not as simple as a striaght swap because it's so much deeper it would need to have a hole drilled in the top casing of the sender assembly and having a high pressure fixing and a new braided fuel line run to the fuel rail which will be very expensive

also the fuel lines pipes on the top replacment sender are at very different angles than my existing one(see pic below) should this still fit???????????, or can the sender parts be swapped over somehow?

my origional frst one


replacment sender

[jayrs]

aint the bosch 023 a external pump though?


i got a sytec escort cosworth pump in my rs, and have had it in there for years with no problems.
it wasnt a direct fit in the bottom of the sender where the bag is, needed a little messing with, but it went in, ok in the end, and i think i cable tied it towards the top too for extra hold.

i refitted the throttle dampner too, i didnt replace it with fuel line.

even for the power your running, i think a uprated escort cosworth pump is a tad over kill, but only you can decide what ya want, but i agree, while its out, if your not sure what you got, it might be best to change it, but on the other hand, if it aint broke.........

[pauldolman]

aint the bosch 023 a external pump though?


i got a sytec escort cosworth pump in my rs, and have had it in there for years with no problems.
it wasnt a direct fit in the bottom of the sender where the bag is, needed a little messing with, but it went in, ok in the end, and i think i cable tied it towards the top too for extra hold.

i refitted the throttle dampner too, i didnt replace it with fuel line.

even for the power your running, i think a uprated escort cosworth pump is a tad over kill, but only you can decide what ya want, but i agree, while its out, if your not sure what you got, it might be best to change it, but on the other hand, if it aint broke.........

cheers for the reply jay, still not sure what to do

what about the pipe angles on top of the sender, will this cause a issue

[chrisxr2it3]

Is that not an escort fuel sender? My mate Ben had same probs he bought 1 from a efi escort an it didn't fit,if u hold the new sender upright as if it was in the tank does it make the pump sit at the same angle as the origional sender?or angle it slightly as the sender he got also made his pump sit at an angle an crushed the filter bag on bottom of tank

As for the pump u'v had the car set up numerous times over the years an not had fuel issues so wouldn't personally worry bout changing it tbh

Chris

[jayrs]

wouldnt worry about the pipe angles on the top, provided its not kinking the fuel pipes it will be ok

[pauldolman]

ah cool, deffo cant wait to see the outsome

here u go jay

[FRSJON]

for piece of mind id change the pump paul. fit the cosworth pump that everyone else has been fitting for years and find a fiesta sender/pump craddle. if i had one it would be on its way to you

[pauldolman]

for piece of mind id change the pump paul. fit the cosworth pump that everyone else has been fitting for years and find a fiesta sender/pump craddle. if i had one it would be on its way to you

jon i've decided to do what jano said, fit a gen esc [ERRR] pump(bosch 023) run a braided fuel line and some posh high pressure fixings, then it will handle more boost if i want to run more and will not need replacing again

[MENACE]

them carbon bits look very nice mate will suit your car cant wait to see them fitted

[jayrs]

they look good paul, cant wait to see them fitted

[pauldolman]

they look good paul, cant wait to see them fitted

cheers mate

[pauldolman]

Hi chaps

I'm really not sure what to do for the best re the fuel pump I'm definitely going to get a upgrade but not sure what to get I'm really temped to get a msd sytec one I know quite a few peeps who run these and reports have all been positive. It Jano has advised me to avoid them but fitting a gen esc [ERRR] one(Bosch 023) means running braided lines and fancy high pressure connectors which I know will look very trick in my bay but cost wise I think I'm looking at £400-500 just on parts and I don't think I can justify spending that ahhhhhhhh what to do?

[Excursion]

There's nothing wrong with Sytec pumps. They have been tried and tested in numerous Ford in-tank applications for well over ten years now.

[pauldolman]

There's nothing wrong with Sytec pumps. They have been tried and tested in numerous Ford in-tank applications for well over ten years now.

thanx pal, i'm going for one of those now, purely due to what everyone has said about them on there, i'm actually having the one off of steve's motor(rs220bhp) he recons it's done 50miles at the very most

thanx to everyones post and comments reguarding the pump it's really helped

[pauldolman]

got my uprated pump through today(thanx steve) but the fuel sender which is a good one that i got from jano does'nt fit in my tank not impressed, it's the not the actual float thats causing a issue but the piece that the base of the pump sits on is hitting the swirl pot in the tank, so basicly i can't use it dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

a few peeps ive spoken to recon it must be a escort sender rather than a fiesta one

don't know if it's possible to change over the float mechanism to my fiesta sender, don't think it is but i just thought id suggest it anyway

so if anyone can help me out with a fiesta sender in a good order i'd be very gratefull

[Excursion]

Hi Paul,
That looks to be the same as the pump I used. It's years ago now so I may not remember the exact procedure, but I'm pretty sure that I used my original sender unit but opened it out at the base so the larger Sytec pump inlet would suit in the Fiesta cradle.

The filer bag was a bit of a squeeze and has to be at the right angle to go in.

Cheers

[pauldolman]

Hi Paul,
That looks to be the same as the pump I used. It's years ago now so I may not remember the exact procedure, but I'm pretty sure that I used my original sender unit but opened it out at the base so the larger Sytec pump inlet would suit in the Fiesta cradle.

The filer bag was a bit of a squeeze and has to be at the right angle to go in.

Cheers

its the bottom of the cradle thats catching on the side of the swirl pot in the tank, it's not actually hitting the bottom of the tank

[FRSJON]

need to find another fiesta pump craddle paul. im looking but no luck yet

[pauldolman]

need to find another fiesta pump craddle paul. im looking but no luck yet

what do u mean jon?, surely u mean a replacment sender not cradle

[pauldolman]

right chaps

had a couple of really stressfull days trying to sort another fuel sender, after no luck locating one i decided whatever it costs i was going to order a brand new one from ford but after making enquires on tuesday they've told me there no longer avilable and no back stock eirther ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh stress, but hopefully there's a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, i've spoken to a trade pal of mine who's thinking of running a fuel cell in his fiesta turbo and he's said he'll drop the tank over the weekend and send it to me, he's said the car has'nt run for 2 years but the last time it was there was'nt a issue with it, so it's the only offer i've had so fingers crossed it's ok

[FRSJON]

when i said craddle i meant everything you took out the tank minus the pump..(the part the pump sits in )

[pauldolman]

when i said craddle i meant everything you took out the tank minus the pump..(the part the pump sits in )

surely thats classed as the sender unit

[jayrs]

good stuff mate, see no reason why it wouldnt be ok

[pauldolman]

good stuff mate, see no reason why it wouldnt be ok

ok cheers mate, he's sent me some pics from the top of the tank and it's definatly the right one with the fuel feeds in a 'v' shape, which is all incouraging

[jayrs]

good stuff, be back on the road in no time